 behavior after using prong collar
#94387 - 01/07/2006 12:39 PM |
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Hi All,
I just am amazed at the transformation in my dogs behavior after having used the prong collar several times.
I gotta admit, I swallowed hard before using it, but figured I really needed to get a handle on some of her behaviors.
She only corrected herself several times, and now is a gem on the leash. Her response as far as obedience to commands is right on. She is less reactive when other dogs are around, she sits quiet, she still puffs up, but the lunging away from me has ceased.
I also noticed in general, much more cooperation, even if the collar is not on. I just spent time grooming her, she was flat out on her side, letting me use the shedding rake on her back legs and tail. In the past she did not tolerate that too well, would just squirm around.
I am a believer!!!
My dog just seems so much more relaxed and calm mentally.
Linda
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Re: behavior after using prong collar
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#94388 - 01/07/2006 12:57 PM |
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Linda,
I just hope that everybody will take your experience for what it is, one of the easiest methods of training to use.
Not only for you but your dog.
Congrats for training your dog in such a fashion.
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[Re: Linda Walsh ]
#94389 - 01/07/2006 11:50 PM |
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Yep, like they say, "power steering." I've been using it for a few months on Nettie, a new rescue addition to the family, and it has made the training and socializing process a lot easier. Went to the beach today where there's about a 2-mi. beach wall stretch where everyone walks and there's always a lot of dogs, especially on weekends. She was great with all the dogs we encountered, stopped and sniffed quite a few and wasn't even bothered by the two aggressive little ones that lunged at her.
I've also found that it has helped to watch her and break her focus before she "puffs up" as you say. A tap on the butt, finger snap or "Pssstt" is usually enough to distract her, keep her mellow and not let her get excited to the point where growling / lunging comes next. It's nice to see the payoff after working with her for several months. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#94390 - 01/08/2006 12:02 PM |
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Mike,
That is great that your dog is taking all that stimulation at the beach in stride, with the help of the prong as a reinforcer.
Before using the prong, I taught her to focus on me with the command, "watch." What I have found is that her reaction time to my commands is virtually instantaneous with the prong collar just being on her neck. So, yes, I make her sit and wait for my release, if she starts to huff and puff I work the "watch" command, and it refocuses her on me. She also is a rescue, with issues related to what I suspect is lack of socialization.
I am attending a beginner agility class with her. Its been a controlled way to begin exposing her to other dogs and people, its helped alot. And we are having alot of fun. It is purely motivationally conditioning. I think it is a nice mix for us, to break up some of the obedience work, with the correction collar with a purely fun activity!!
Anyway, our relationship as only grown deeper. And her confidence level has improved tenfold!!
Linda
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#94391 - 01/08/2006 04:47 PM |
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After reading this thread, I really hope the 'Triple Crown Collars' I've ordered work just as well. Anybody used these before?
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#94392 - 01/08/2006 05:55 PM |
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What kind of training are you going to use? I'd use clicker training to teach the obed skill and prong for correction. Its not fair to the puppy to nail him when he doesn't understand what you expect from him. IE puppy is jumping all over whoever, you yell "DOWN" but the puppy doesn't know "DOWN" and you pop him. Now he's learned every time you yell 'down' he's about to get popped, thats not what you want. You teach him "down" useing MARKER or CLICKER training and when he doesn't want to quit whatever he's doing then you pop him. You can pick up some usefull information and skills for the NILIF crowd. Ed's basic obed vid and puppy vids are good. have fun
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#94393 - 01/09/2006 01:34 AM |
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After reading this thread, I really hope the 'Triple Crown Collars' I've ordered work just as well. Anybody used these before?
I tried them with our Boxer. No, they do not work just as well unless you have it fitted absolutely perfect, which is impossible with the size of the links they give you, and then the prongs are constantly poking into the dog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> You also have to take what they say is the right # of links for your dogs neck size and add 2or3. At least for the large size. They are hard to get off and on without giving the dog a correction in the process.
The mechanical action of a prong is what makes it work so well. The Triple Crown collar has completely lost it. Maybe our boxer just had the wrong size neck(exactly 18in.) but I really think the Triple Crown collars are horrible as far as training tools go. I`ve had to go back to choke chains with our dogs because using a Triple Crown collar would have just been wrong and my parents(I`m 16) won`t let me get a prong.
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#94394 - 01/09/2006 04:15 PM |
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Dennis,
Sorry didn't mention it but they're for my adult dogs who 'know' the commands as I've never passed the learning stage with them (good old U.K.)treats treats treats, no corrections EVER and I'm also having trouble with dog to dog aggression (yes my little bookends are buggers with my pup and other dogs when on a lead <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />  .
I will use it on my pup but only when he's 100% on commands in the learning stage. I have got Ed's video aswell and following it to the letter.
Thanks for your advice.
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#94395 - 01/09/2006 04:27 PM |
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I'm not saying they will work as well as a prong but seeing as my dogs are not allowed to wear a prong collar where I am, these collars were suggested to me from a reliable source on this forum (you know who you are so please feel free to add) to try and get the control I'm lacking with my adult dogs.
I actually received them today from the U.S. and had no trouble fitting them. There are 2 sizes which I have purchased. They are a snug fit and don't seem to be bothering any of my dogs and I have put one on my pup to get him accustomed to it as Ed suggests in his video and they have all gone about their business as usual (including lying down on their sides)and removing them has been no problem either. And I'm sorry if this offends you but IMO
'THERE IS NOTHING WORSE OR MORE CRUEL THAN A CHOKE CHAIN' <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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#94396 - 01/09/2006 04:39 PM |
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I'd sooner correct my dog on a flat collar or an e-collar than a choke chain. I will never go back to using a choke chain after the damage I've seen them cause on dogs. If your parents won't let you get a prong collar, then don't torment the poor dog with a choker, if the dog doesn't respond to it very well then you're just gonna destroy your bond with the dog.
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