 Another "heel" question
#103344 - 04/06/2006 12:12 PM |
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Hi...
I'm not sure if this needs a another post because it's very related to the other question below on heeling, but a little different.
Anyhow, my question is: I've been working with my 2-yr-old GSD on heeling for a few months now, and I feel like, with treats, he's great. On-leash, off-leash, whatever. But when I try to fade the treats out, he's all over the place...mostly in front of me, pulling.
How do I successfully fade the treat out, but still keep him motivated? Any suggestions?
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Ashley
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Re: Another "heel" question
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#103345 - 04/06/2006 01:07 PM |
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do you use any other reinforcements? praise, petting, toys? if not, you might try shifting to other inducements and vary them so he does not focus on the presence or lack of presence, of just one (vis., food). once he is accustomed to working for different inducements, you could return to stretching the schedule of food and use the other types of inducement to keep him focused on rewards. when he is settled, then stretch the schedule on the other inducements as well. good luck with your dog.
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Re: Another "heel" question
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#103346 - 04/06/2006 01:15 PM |
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How are you delivering the treats? If you spit treats from you mouth, the dog doesn't know if you have them or not. Also, it may be time to add correction in training.
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Re: Another "heel" question
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#103347 - 04/06/2006 04:04 PM |
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Are you marking the correct behavior, or just giving the treat?
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Re: Another "heel" question
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#103348 - 04/10/2006 12:08 PM |
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I'm not sure if I fully understand "marking." If you mean, verbally reinforcing him (followed by a treat) when he is in the correct position. Then yes, I do this. But that's the extent of my understanding of how to mark a behavior.
Recently he's begun drifting ahead of me and so I'm really working on how to get him to understand exactly where his body needs to be when I say "heel." So, I will let him on a loose leash and then tell him to heel and praise and treat him when he comes back. Is this correct?
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Re: Another "heel" question
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#103349 - 04/10/2006 07:39 PM |
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just curious, but how does a person w/12 posts, and these questions, get a 5 star rating?
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Re: Another "heel" question
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#103350 - 04/10/2006 07:53 PM |
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<Hissing>MEEEOOOOWW! Having a bad day, Ann? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Easy-they seem to go up and down as more people rate you; if only one person rated you, then that's your rating. Then it seems they get averaged. At least I think so.
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Re: Another "heel" question
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#103351 - 04/10/2006 07:55 PM |
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Quote:just curious, but how does a person w/12 posts, and these questions, get a 5 star rating?
C'mon now, STAR ENVY?????
Here is what I think might be going on. You are reinforcing the heel way to often. Somewhere on this site, there is an article on random reinforcers. Ed??? Anybody?? I don't remember the name, it might have been written by Ed's brother. Too lazy to look today. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#103352 - 04/10/2006 08:06 PM |
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I should get twelve stars....................the wrong way! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Another "heel" question
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#103353 - 04/10/2006 09:38 PM |
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Does your dog like to play ball? If so, take away the balls & only bring them out during training. This way, you can get him to focus on the ball instead of the treat. If you can manage it, try the technique mentioned about spitting treats. This way, your hands are free.
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