 Mal Pup biting hands
#106000 - 05/07/2006 10:37 AM |
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My 9 week old mal pup will bite my hands and arms when I am playing with her puppy tug or holding her ball, Is this a problem at this point or should I let it go on? I have ordered several of Ed's training Videos that should arrive this week. Any comments until then? Thanks in advance! Oh, she is to be trained Police Patrol dog.
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#106001 - 05/07/2006 11:26 AM |
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C.B.
I, as well as many others on this site feel your pain!! I have scars on my arms and hands from my Mal. You can try diverting the pup with a favorite toy, such as something that squeaks or rolls at this age.
If you use the "search"function I believe there are several threads with great sugestions on this subject....it is a common problem with working breeds! This is part of what makes them fun!
Best of luck with your new prospect.
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#106002 - 05/07/2006 12:37 PM |
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Your pup hasn't yet identified the ball/tug as its prey object. Try to use a longer string so that you won't get bitten. Sooner than later your pup will know that it shouldn't bite you. I'm (apparently)one of the lucky ones.. My pup is know 5 1/2 months old and no scars so far. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#106003 - 05/07/2006 02:01 PM |
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I feel "privileged" that I don't have any scars or major bites from my Mal. He nailed me once when he was 4-5 months old and I scruffed him and lifted his front paws up, looked him right in the eyes, showed my teeth and growled no. Never happened again. Instead, he just chews everything to bits and he uses my Aussie mix's neck like a bite sleeve. *sigh*
It was actually a pretty frustrating day at Schutzhund practice this morning. It's our third practice and he would not go after the tug at all. He just kind of ignores it and just look around and whines. But then I take him to the trails like 2 hours later and he courses my 40 lbs Aussie mix like a hare and hauls him down to the ground by the scruff multiple times. So I *know* he has prey drive in him and running down a swerving Aussie running at full tilt has to be harder than chasing a tug, bite pillow, or rag, we just need to transfer that drive to the toy and later to the sleeve. Leerburg's going to get some business from me later this week, I'm sure!
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#106004 - 05/07/2006 04:02 PM |
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Maren, C.B. is asking about a 9wk old puppy that he is going to be using as a PSD. Thank goodness I don't have any MAJOR bites either.
If the puppy is going to be a pet then correct this with a firm no, but, for a pup that is going to be used for Sch, PSD, etc. then it is best to divert his attention elsewhere. It stands to reason that if you are going to do any sort of work that might possibly include bitework correcting this type of play at 9wks might not be a good idea.
If you go to the Main Index and look in the Puppy Training section there are many good threads about puppies and this problem.
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#106005 - 05/08/2006 07:14 AM |
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My 9 week old mal pup will bite my hands and arms when I am playing with her puppy tug or holding her ball, Is this a problem at this point or should I let it go on? I have ordered several of Ed's training Videos that should arrive this week. Any comments until then? Thanks in advance! Oh, she is to be trained Police Patrol dog.
CB,
You're dog is too young to do really well targeting what you want him to bite, but you can start teaching it. A tug is sometime easier to teach with (fewer finger scars for you), but a ball is good to use too.
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#106006 - 05/08/2006 07:27 AM |
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It's our third practice and he would not go after the tug at all. He just kind of ignores it and just look around and whines. But then I take him to the trails like 2 hours later and he courses my 40 lbs Aussie mix like a hare and hauls him down to the ground by the scruff multiple times. So I *know* he has prey drive in him and running down a swerving Aussie running at full tilt has to be harder than chasing a tug, bite pillow, or rag, we just need to transfer that drive to the toy and later to the sleeve. Leerburg's going to get some business from me later this week, I'm sure!
Maren,
Do yourself a favor and don't let your Mal insesantly chase the Aussie Mix...Actually keep them separated as much as possible. It has obviously become very satisfying(=rewarding) for your Mal to chase and catch (=prey drive)your Aussie Mix. That exercise is much more intense and stimulating than a guy swinging a burlap tug around, so its not surprising that puppy tugging at the SchH Club doesn't exactly get him going.
Isolate him, and teach him that his primary outlet for this behavior comes from you and the helper at the Club, not from his buddy the Aussie.
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#106007 - 05/08/2006 03:09 PM |
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Thanks John, we're doing just that in the last few weeks. I've started keeping the Aussie mix on a long line for trail walks now instead. He now doesn't get quite as much exercise, but my Mal doesn't dare try it now that I am closer. It also keeps both dogs closer to me anyways if I have to recall them. They are also not permitted to wrestle in the house at all. It was weird though because I borrowed a tug from our instructor and about half an hour after I posted that message, we did a bit of chasing the tug on a line around the backyard and he went after just great for the first time. It was like it clicked. I'll try to keep at it for 2-3 times a day for 5 minutes or so and eliminate the chasing of the other dogs. Hopefully by the next practice, he won't be so distracted and will go after the tug the instructor tries to use.
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#106008 - 05/09/2006 01:54 PM |
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If I were you I'd be keeping the mal on the line instead. He's a wee bit too young to be off-line. If you think he's an obedient angel, just wait till he flips you off one day at the park and takes off after something... It'll happen. And then it's too late because he HAD the chance.
With working pups, I like to keep them on a leash or line 100% of the time (no exceptions) for their first year of life. Yup it means more exercise for you, because you cannot just amble along. But I have bomb-proof recalls in exchange by the time the dog is an adolescent. There's no reason a pet can't be raised the same way.
Have a great day!
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#106009 - 05/09/2006 09:09 PM |
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I know from Ed's articles to keep pups on a line all of the time for the first year or so of their lives. I haven't heard anyone else say that they do this until Jennifer said it. Does anyone else do this with their dogs, either working or pet? Does it develop "bomb-proof recalls"?
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