Daniel Flores wrote 05/13/2006 10:23 AM Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars #106495 - 05/13/2006 10:23 AM
Daniel Flores Webboard User Reg: 03-12-2006 Posts: 225 Loc: Northwest Arkansas Offline	Which one is better or do they work differently. which one is more perferable? Are they supposed to be used at different life stages? Abigal von der Mueller
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Kristine Velasco wrote 05/13/2006 10:49 AM Re: Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars [Re: Daniel Flores ] #106496 - 05/13/2006 10:49 AM
Kristine Velasco Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2005 Posts: 297 Loc: Offline	Prong for training...? Ummm, Ed discusses this many times. I just use the fursaver to hold tags/as a general handle when I want to grab my dog.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 05/13/2006 11:09 AM Re: Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars [Re: Kristine Velasco ] #106497 - 05/13/2006 11:09 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Prong for training, chokers/fursavers have their place in bitework, especially handy as a safety in case the agitation collar snaps, but I wouldn't use a choker for OB or walks or heeling type stuff. Someone told me once "if you start a puppy on a choker he'll never need a prong". He was the biggest idiot I ever met.
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Daniel Flores wrote 05/13/2006 11:28 AM Re: Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #106498 - 05/13/2006 11:28 AM
Daniel Flores Webboard User Reg: 03-12-2006 Posts: 225 Loc: Northwest Arkansas Offline	So if you have a prong, a fursaver will still be needed later on? I only have a prong but don't use it much, only when she is around the little kids. Abigal von der Mueller
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Mitch Kuta wrote 05/13/2006 11:36 AM Re: Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars [Re: Daniel Flores ] #106499 - 05/13/2006 11:36 AM
Mitch Kuta Webboard User Reg: 01-31-2005 Posts: 464 Loc: Ovilla, TX Offline	Me personaly only have a prong, an E ( electric) and leather agitation collar. I have used choke chains on my Dobermans But not on my GSD. We live in the country so I don't leave any tags on my dogs as they are only outside if they are with me or are indoors. MJK
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Mitch Kuta wrote 05/13/2006 11:39 AM Re: Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars [Re: Mitch Kuta ] #106500 - 05/13/2006 11:39 AM
Mitch Kuta Webboard User Reg: 01-31-2005 Posts: 464 Loc: Ovilla, TX Offline	Forgot to add both the prong and the E collars work very well and the E collar is fun to play with on yourself and friends MJK
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Daniel Flores wrote 05/13/2006 12:39 PM Re: Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars [Re: Mitch Kuta ] #106501 - 05/13/2006 12:39 PM
Daniel Flores Webboard User Reg: 03-12-2006 Posts: 225 Loc: Northwest Arkansas Offline	LOL. That really sounds like a good idea!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. Hey if my dog can take why can't I, right <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. What does an agitation collar (and harness do) Agitate the dog to get more aggression out of them? Abigal von der Mueller
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 05/13/2006 02:28 PM Re: Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars [Re: Daniel Flores ] #106502 - 05/13/2006 02:28 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Quote: What does an agitation collar (and harness do) Agitate the dog to get more aggression out of them? No they're just very strong thick leather collars (1.5 or 2" wide) and the harnesses are very comfortable and super strong so that when the decoy agitates the dog, the collar or harness doesn't break. Like if the decoy is doing civil work with the dog (no equipment) the last thing you want is the collar or leash or harness to break n the decoy to get bitten for real.
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Kristine Velasco wrote 05/13/2006 03:39 PM Re: Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #106503 - 05/13/2006 03:39 PM
Kristine Velasco Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2005 Posts: 297 Loc: Offline	Some people also prefer to just use the fursaver on a dead ring (i.e. it doesn't choke) during bitework so the dog doesn't anticipate what's going to happen depending on what equipment he has on.
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susan tuck wrote 05/13/2006 04:14 PM Re: Prong Vs. Fur Saver (Or Reg. Choke) Collars [Re: Daniel Flores ] #106504 - 05/13/2006 04:14 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	Hey Daniel, I have always used a fur saver, but really just for looks, not for training. I have a brass fur saver which I think looks cool. Thats it!
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