june brown wrote 06/07/2006 02:26 PM Good idea or bad??? #107893 - 06/07/2006 02:26 PM
june brown Webboard User Reg: 03-22-2006 Posts: 96 Loc: Kentucky Offline	I have a friend that has two GSD's a male and a female. Both are out of the same sire and she wants to breed them. Is this a good idea or bad? kleinen hain Nomex Vom Gebirgshaus, SAR,BH,TD,RAE,CDX,NAP,NJP,VCD1,OA,OAJ,VCD2,CGC,AX,AXJ
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chris bettin wrote 06/07/2006 03:08 PM Re: Good idea or bad??? [Re: june brown ] #107894 - 06/07/2006 03:08 PM
chris bettin Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2003 Posts: 156 Loc: Offline	um...bad. for many reasons.
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Ingrid Rosenquist wrote 06/07/2006 03:33 PM Re: Good idea or bad??? [Re: chris bettin ] #107895 - 06/07/2006 03:33 PM
Ingrid Rosenquist Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2005 Posts: 1132 Loc: Offline	Depends on who you talk to. For example, I have a young male who has the same grandsire on the top and bottom. I say - "Bad" because while my male is almost finished with his breed championship and was one of the top obedience ACDs in the US last year, he has had significant health problems (Severe food allergies, missing 6 teeth, and a testicle that took 9 months to descend - no I am not planning on breeding him). However, the owners of his littermates would say "Good" because they are all tremendous herding dogs with his one littermate already having his HC making him a 3rd generation Herding Champion and no visible health problems. My friend, who is a vet, and owns a littermate to my boy puts it this way - You can get the best of that line or you can get the crap. Health wise, I got the crap so it tempers my opinion on the family tree not forking <img src="http://www.leerburgkennels.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> http://www.psychtkennel.com
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Elaine Haynes wrote 06/08/2006 04:59 AM Re: Good idea or bad??? [Re: Ingrid Rosenquist ] #107896 - 06/08/2006 04:59 AM
Elaine Haynes Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2005 Posts: 1221 Loc: Offline	Inbreeding, which this would be, is generally a bad idea especially in the hands of new and/or unknowledgeable breeders. "A dog wags his tail with his heart." Max Buxbaum
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Brad Trull wrote 06/08/2006 06:48 AM Re: Good idea or bad??? [Re: Elaine Haynes ] #107897 - 06/08/2006 06:48 AM
Brad Trull Webboard User Reg: 05-31-2005 Posts: 187 Loc: Indiana Offline	Just depends. Few breeders are willing to go the mile to evaluate , cull and reselect breeding stock. I got real burnt out on it. One of my better beagles was a full brother/ sister cross. We use in and line breeding to set traits in dogs we find desirable, you should only outcross if your line is lacking is some important. I have seen generations , 3 plus of beagles, bred really tightly that were great hounds. Breeding is an art not a science.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 06/08/2006 06:49 AM Re: Good idea or bad??? [Re: Elaine Haynes ] #107898 - 06/08/2006 06:49 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Inbreeding means knowing everything about all the dogs going many generations back... I think of it this way... "if you have to ask the question, then you certainly shouldn't do it" lol.
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june brown wrote 06/09/2006 09:43 AM Re: Good idea or bad??? [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #107899 - 06/09/2006 09:43 AM
june brown Webboard User Reg: 03-22-2006 Posts: 96 Loc: Kentucky Offline	Thanks for all your help. i feel the same way. i've told this lady very much the same as everyone here. she also wants to breed a female to my male and keep a female to rebreed with my boy. i told her it would never happen. thanks everyone....... kleinen hain Nomex Vom Gebirgshaus, SAR,BH,TD,RAE,CDX,NAP,NJP,VCD1,OA,OAJ,VCD2,CGC,AX,AXJ
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Diana Matusik wrote 06/09/2006 09:57 AM Re: Good idea or bad??? [Re: june brown ] #107900 - 06/09/2006 09:57 AM
Diana Matusik Webboard User Reg: 04-27-2004 Posts: 456 Loc: Central FL Offline	Why do I get the feeling that your friend should get her hand out of the "canine breeding pot" and stick it in the "learning about canine breeding and genetics" pot? <img src="http://www.leerburgkennels.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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june brown wrote 06/09/2006 09:59 AM Re: Good idea or bad??? [Re: Diana Matusik ] #107901 - 06/09/2006 09:59 AM
june brown Webboard User Reg: 03-22-2006 Posts: 96 Loc: Kentucky Offline	You are so right, and friend? just someone that wants to breed with my male i met at a show....i'm trying real hard to teach her right and wrong but just as hardheaded as one of my kids..... kleinen hain Nomex Vom Gebirgshaus, SAR,BH,TD,RAE,CDX,NAP,NJP,VCD1,OA,OAJ,VCD2,CGC,AX,AXJ
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Maren Bell wrote 06/09/2006 01:04 PM Re: Good idea or bad??? [Re: Brad Trull ] #107902 - 06/09/2006 01:04 PM
Maren Bell Webboard User Reg: 03-12-2006 Posts: 184 Loc: Columbia, MO Offline	Quote: Breeding is an art not a science. As someone trained as a biologist, I would heartily disagree... <img src="http://www.leerburgkennels.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> And I for one am not a fan of inbreeding, especially with dog breeds which are relatively common and should *in theory* have a number of unrelated or very distantly related qualified specimens. However, I do agree with what Mike said that if you have to ask...you probably shouldn't be attempting it! Anyone who doesn't know how to do a monohybrid cross Punnett square should not be breeding. Anyone who asks what a monohybrid cross Punnett square is should definitely not be breeding! "You don't have to train a dog as much as you have to train a human."--Cesar Millan
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