My GSD would pull on his flat leather collar, and we had to use really strong corrections. We tried a choke collar, and it wasn't any more effective than the flat collar. A friend of mine gave me a small prong collar. We tried it on the puppy when he was about 12 weeks old, and it was like a miracle. I don't know if there is a recommended age for when to use it, but we started at 12 weeks and it has been very effective for us. We don't have to use near the amount of force to correct him as we did with the flat or choke collars. So, from that one experience with that one dog, I'd say 12 weeks is not too young for a prong.
I'd check out these links and get some expert (not me)advice before you start using a prong collar. (Both) of your dogs are at a stage where prong corrections strike me as pretty dicey. But that opinion is mostly due to these links:
It is difficult for novice pet owners to correct a puppy at a level that does not permanently damage its temperament. These owners don’t understand how easy it is to cause permanent damage to a pup by over correcting. One hard correction can have a life long effect on a soft puppy.
Ed's DVDs are great, I have Basic Obedience myself, you will see prong fit and prong corrections shown there.
My puppy started out on a prong early (~6 mos.) but that was entirely--completely--for self-corrections on walks and stuff. Nothing I did to her.
Kimberly, based on the home environment you described in one of your other threads, make sure you're making an informed decision here. It sounds like there is a lot going on in your home.
Thanks Woody for the article links, I'm definitely going to check them out. The reason I was thinking about using the prong is also for self corrections while walking the 6 month old pup. She has been to obedience class with me and we were told to use a metal choke collar, but it rips her fur out, I was thinking of getting the dominant dog collar instead. I am definitely worried about damaging her temperament. Thanks again for the links. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Good luck, don't kill your pet with good intentions. ;-) I would start way back in rookie school with basic walking etiquette with your pup. If it's not fun something's wrong.
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