I have a 10 week old gsd. We have had her for two weeks now. She seems to be settling in very well.

My question is on recall. I was wondering if you should ever use a correction when they do not respond to a recall or avoid you when you go to get them? She usually does not want me to get her when she is outside chewing on something that she has found that she knows I will take away from her.

I know never to correct her if she does come.

What kind of correction would you use?

One more question.

HOw long do they scream in a kennel before they get the point that screaming doesnt work? I do as Mr. Frawley suggested and just walk away but this dog can scream for 2 hours straight. I never get her out untill I want her for something. I wont give in on that one.

Thanks for any info.

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.....My question is on recall. I was wondering if you should ever use a correction when they do not respond to a recall or avoid you when you go to get them? She usually does not want me to get her when she is outside chewing on something that she has found that she knows I will take away from her......I know never to correct her if she does come.

What kind of correction would you use?

One more question.

HOw long do they scream in a kennel before they get the point that screaming doesnt work? I do as Mr. Frawley suggested and just walk away but this dog can scream for 2 hours straight. I never get her out untill I want her for something. I wont give in on that one.

Thanks for any info.

Because I think you are doing the right thing on the kennel-protests, I'll make a suggestion on the recall.

I never never correct a dog who does come, no matter how late or reluctantly, because I never want the dog to think that coming means correction.
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I would start over, maybe, with the recall, making yourself the best show in the yard and making calling the dog something the dog is thrilled about..... fun and walks and treats and games happen when s/he's called by you. JMO! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

No distractions at all until the no-distraction recall is 100%. I do use a long line with a dog who has been poorly trained in the past, but this is because I want no possibility that the dog will refuse and thus learn that it's optional. At ten weeks, I think you can show the dog that coming to you is a great thing.

Editing to say that if you don't have DVD or video #302 (Basic Ob) from Leerburg, you will be happy to have it.

We brought our puppy home when he was 9 weeks old. He'd cry all night for the first 4 or 5 days. Then we put a t-shirt in the crate with him my son had been wearing. That seemed to help a little, and the crying begain to tail off. By the time we had him two weeks it wasn't bad at all.

Thanks for the info!

I will put the obedience dvd on my list. First I have to find the building drive and focus dvd I bought last year. My other dog didnt work out so this is the second try.

We will see what happens.

the pup runs away when you walk up to it & doesn't come when you call it ???? It's a baby playing......put a long line on the puppy..end of problem. The pup is only 10 wks old...why is it outside with no long line on it in the first place (even in a fenced yard). Do you really expect a 10 old pup to be doing recalls? or in training for them... Geezzze it's a baby.. there is plenty of time to train....give it a break & let it play & be a baby. Just play with him & be his friend & be the best thing that this puppy could want to come to when you call....lost of praize when it looks your way or comes to you & wants to play with you. THAT will start to teach the early set up parts of a recall in the future for training. NEVER put any corrections on a young dog <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> & Never until the dog is 100% understanding the command. Use all motivational training....food, food, toys, toys, lots of praize & more praize. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> You don't use corrections until you are at the point of 'proofing' a command & certainly not on a puppy. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Get Ed's basic obedience dvd & his raising a working puppy dvd & learn before you start trying to teach this puppy & do it incorrectly & ruin him.

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the pup runs away when you walk up to it & doesn't come when you call it ???? It's a baby playing......put a long line on the puppy..end of problem. The pup is only 10 wks old...why is it outside with no long line on it in the first place (even in a fenced yard). Do you really expect a 10 old pup to be doing recalls?...lost of praize when it looks your way or comes to you & wants to play with you. .......

Maybe we are using different terms. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I would definitely be praising and treating and playing and QUOTE: making yourself the best show in the yard and making calling the dog something the dog is thrilled about..... fun and treats and games happen when s/he's called by you. END QUOTE

No corrections! You're right! This is a baby........... and the puppy will want to come (recall) when you make it a great thing.

QUOTE: At ten weeks, I think you can show the dog that coming to you is a great thing. END

That is playing and letting the baby BE a baby.

Maybe I'm wrong (and I totally admit that most of my training and all of my owning is with older than 10 weeks dogs), but I think that being fun and playing with the puppy and being the source of all things wonderful is teaching the recall. The puppy wants to come. The puppy's name is what the puppy wants most to hear. Right?

Marking eye contact, coming to me because I'm the source of fun and treats and love and games............. aren't these what you want to be doing with a puppy?

Maybe the word "training" has the wrong flavor at that age. But I thought that was not too young for the puppy to want to want to come to his name.

We have an owner with two (sibling) GSD puppies in our training club, and I saw at his house the other night that they both come to their names, wiggling and happy and looking eagerly for the next great fun. I think they are around that age. They've been in their new home for about ten days or so.

I definitely second the #302 DVD suggestion.......... the whole feeling throughout it of fun and motivation is, to me, what OB training is all about. Bonding and having fun together, and, I think, being very very attractive to the puppy. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

But again.......... my young puppy experience is limited (unfortunately for me), so I certainly could be all wet on this.

Anne, I think you took my post the wrong way.

It is not training, I was just wondering how to get the dog to come to me when I called it. I dont think that it is such a bad thing. I wont call it "recall" anymore.

A correction could just be a nice calm NO. I wasnt planning on taking a baseball bat tho the pup.
I like to do reserch before something becomes a problem. I dont like to ask what I should I have done with the pup at 16 weeks when it is one year old.

Thanks for the info

Dave,
Do not take things so hard :-). The come/recall is a training thing does not matter if it is a pup or an adult. Keep a long line on the little one and once you recall them have a nice and tasty treat for them when they get to you. Never call them to you for anything other than fun types of things, for things that are not fun go and get them, another advantage of that long line. Yes recall is the most important command you will teach your pup or adult dog, as Ed says it can save thier life. So do not take it badly when folks say this is training, it truly is. A pup is a pup and you really can not expect much other than eating/sleeping and going to the potty. The long line will just let you gently guide your little one to you when you do call them adn they do not want to come at that time. After all playing chase is a blast to the little one and you can not expect them to not want to do things that are fun to them. So take your time.
Yes you can begin training at this young age, you can work on sit/down/come. Have them sit before you give them thier food or down for a really good treat. No corrections all good clean tasty fun. My pup by 10 weeks was fully house trained, was sitting and downing all for fun and nice tasty treats. Keep things short and fun, 2 to 3 minutes then play like heck. Good luck and remeber the folks here are attempting to help.

Again, use a long line & reel the pup in if that is really what you want to do. I personally never had an issue with my pup wanting to come when I called her & would have a toy or food for her when she came. I would call her name in a fun playful way with animation & she would come running just to see what I had for her. I never said 'NO' to my young pup for really any reason, I felt that she was a pup & I wanted her to be free to be who she was & that there would be plenty of time in her life to hear that word as training began when she was older. I guess that we just have different ideas of how to raise a pup. I have working dogs that both have incredibly great recalls under very BIG distractions, <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> so I guess that I have done something right in my training. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Good luck with you pup.

Thanks for information Jay. I appreciate the input.

Anne, since you have accomplished the goal I want to accomplish I will take your advice. It has worked well today <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

This is my only chance at schutzhund for a looooong time, so I want to do things just right.