Tom Zaremba wrote 09/13/2006 07:52 AM Doberman vs GSD #113696 - 09/13/2006 07:52 AM
Tom Zaremba Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2006 Posts: 20 Loc: Eastern NC Offline	Sorry, the subject sort of looks like I am setting up a fight which I obviously am not... <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> That aside, somewhere well down the road I am planning on getting a new dog to do shutzhund work for sport. I currently have an altered Male Dobe who is great and who I am trying to learn the tricks of the trade with. I know as a current Dobe owner, I love the breed for their high energy, short hair, willingness to learn and amazing ability to velcro themselves to your leg no matter what the circumstance. That list of positives is very long in my mind and in getting a new working dog, what are the +'s and -'s with the doberman vs the GSD? When one thinks of a working dog, GSD or Mal comes to mind, and they seem to have the market cornered in sport work. I am sure there is a reason for this, or is it just personal preference? I do see working Dobie and GSD websites. Anyone have any experience positive or negative, or just overall impression about this? TRY IT RISK FREE! * *some risk may be involved.
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Tom Zaremba wrote 09/13/2006 08:15 AM Re: Doberman vs GSD [Re: Tom Zaremba ] #113697 - 09/13/2006 08:15 AM
Tom Zaremba Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2006 Posts: 20 Loc: Eastern NC Offline	The other thing is that I know experienced guys like Ed and Bernard have GSD's, so the pull there is strong. I guess I want to know why *not* a doberman, given their working heritage. Thanks all! TJ TRY IT RISK FREE! * *some risk may be involved.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 09/13/2006 08:50 AM Re: Doberman vs GSD [Re: Tom Zaremba ] #113698 - 09/13/2006 08:50 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	The key is finding a good dobie. They do exist, I know people with some very nice working dobies, it's just not as easy as finding a nice shepherd.
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Kristine Velasco wrote 09/13/2006 09:00 AM Re: Doberman vs GSD [Re: Tom Zaremba ] #113699 - 09/13/2006 09:00 AM
Kristine Velasco Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2005 Posts: 297 Loc: Offline	Dobes are a different breed altogether. I'd love to have one, I've always loved them as a kid and while I love my shepherd right now I get the feel that he's kind of 'flat' personality wise--a great worker, a stable dog, quite intelligent but very different from the dobes I've met (who, although pet lines, were VERY intelligent and almost snarky). From what I've heard the good ones are just as good as any; as Mike said though, the hard part is finding one. For me the price is also a big factor...I think they go for 1800 dollars and up, whereas I can easily get a working GSD for 1000 and under and a Mal or Dutchie for much less, so your losses are bigger if you're trying to find a very good worker as you wash them out. Price isn't that big of a factor if the dog can be *certified* to work right out of the box, but this is a puppy we're all talking about here.
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Michael Sullivan wrote 09/13/2006 04:12 PM Re: Doberman vs GSD [Re: Kristine Velasco ] #113700 - 09/13/2006 04:12 PM
Michael Sullivan Webboard User Reg: 03-22-2006 Posts: 99 Loc: Illinois Offline	My two cents--The only down side I can see with a gsd vs dobe is the shedding.I vacuum constantly.I think dobes are an excellent breed but I remain a gsd owner always.Wheather working or companion I have yet to find a more versitile breed JMO .I may be way out there,but I remember reading an article about the military trying to develope the ultimate breed however nothing even came close to a GSD.Anyone else remember hearing about that?
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Beth Fuqua wrote 09/13/2006 04:39 PM Re: Doberman vs GSD [Re: Tom Zaremba ] #113701 - 09/13/2006 04:39 PM
Beth Fuqua Webboard User Reg: 02-25-2004 Posts: 559 Loc: Joliet, IL Offline	I've at least heard a bit of this question by training with Dave Blank, who doesn't care a hoot what breed a dog is. They either have a decent combination of the right drives (and if they do, he seems to be able to find them!) and the right nerve. The question really becomes one of finding a dog (or pup) who has the goods - regardless of breed. That can be a challenge regardless of breed. I'm new to the sport, but really enjoyed watching a Dobie earn an FH tracking title a bit over a year ago. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> We've got a 16 year old handler about to pick up a new Dobie pup in the next couple of weeks who plans to start training with us. I'm just rambling - none of this suggests that "Breed X is better then Breed Y for Schutzhund.." It does suggest that the work is what matters - not the breed. Best wishes to you!! Beth http://www.JolietSchutzhund.com
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Al Curbow wrote 09/13/2006 05:56 PM Re: Doberman vs GSD [Re: Tom Zaremba ] #113702 - 09/13/2006 05:56 PM
Al Curbow Webboard User Reg: 06-30-2005 Posts: 974 Loc: northeast Offline	The biggest problem with dobies is that they're not GSD's. GSD's are the best all around dogs, they can do anything you ask of them, All other breeds are 2nd best, JMO, of course others will have a different opinion <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />, AL
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/13/2006 06:10 PM Re: Doberman vs GSD [Re: Al Curbow ] #113703 - 09/13/2006 06:10 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ......of course others will have a different opinion <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />,...... Not me! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Tom Zaremba wrote 09/13/2006 07:11 PM Re: Doberman vs GSD [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #113704 - 09/13/2006 07:11 PM
Tom Zaremba Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2006 Posts: 20 Loc: Eastern NC Offline	Hi all, i am just back from work. Thanks all for the input. I have to say I am on the other side of the fence as you Connie. No GSD will ever be a dobie <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> which is why I am trying to get some sound evidence to convince me that I need a GSD. Dont get me wrong, I know GSD's have it all (including way too much hair <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> but my buddy "Rocco" is pretty slick too, not to mention the most handsome and personable dog I have ever seen. The debate rages on!! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> TRY IT RISK FREE! * *some risk may be involved.
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Debbie High wrote 09/13/2006 07:22 PM Re: Doberman vs GSD [Re: Al Curbow ] #113705 - 09/13/2006 07:22 PM
Debbie High Webboard User Reg: 01-03-2003 Posts: 704 Loc: Offline	Why Al....and the biggest problem with GSDs and Dobies is that they arent' Mals!!! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Of couse, I have heard that Mals and Dobes are similar. Debbie
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