Michael_Wise wrote 09/17/2006 03:51 PM Shed antlers #113963 - 09/17/2006 03:51 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	I only found 2 treads on shed hunting with dogs and neither really went into detail. I did find a thread in the S&R section and Connie linked to this web site. http://www.dogscouts.com/scent.shtml I would like to try shed hunting with my dog strictly for fun and exercise, so I'm not looking for extreme discipline in this area. Would the games on that website help to find sheds while we were walking through the woods? Any suggestions other than this? I looked at the article Ed had on TTD about article searches, but didn't know if that might be a bit much for what we are trying to accomplish.
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Janice Jarman wrote 09/17/2006 07:28 PM Re: Shed antlers [Re: Michael_Wise ] #113964 - 09/17/2006 07:28 PM
Janice Jarman Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2005 Posts: 505 Loc: Mid Missouri USA Offline	Now, I would be very interested to hear about this, too. I shed hunt on my own, and never thought about teaching one or the other of my minpins to help me track them down. Although they both have a big time whiffing over the sheds that I have found. What a great idea, and what fun for them and me, too. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> It would be hard teaching this, I imagine, because sheds would not leave a trail. Janice Jarman
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David C.Frost wrote 09/17/2006 07:36 PM Re: Shed antlers [Re: Janice Jarman ] #113965 - 09/17/2006 07:36 PM
David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002 Posts: 1204 Loc: Nashville, TN Offline	So teach scouting, (air scent). DFrost Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
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Janice Jarman wrote 09/18/2006 09:04 AM Re: Shed antlers [Re: David C.Frost ] #113966 - 09/18/2006 09:04 AM
Janice Jarman Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2005 Posts: 505 Loc: Mid Missouri USA Offline	Well duh. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Shoulda thought of that myself. I have sheds already that I could use to train them. Or I should say him. My male would be a more likely candidate for something like this. My husband already has him flushing rabbits for him. He follows hand signals very well. Thanks for the suggestion! Janice Jarman
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Michael_Wise wrote 09/18/2006 01:38 PM Re: Shed antlers [Re: David C.Frost ] #113967 - 09/18/2006 01:38 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: So teach scouting, (air scent). DFrost Would the "Find It" game in the link that I found be a good way to start? I yahoo search it and that looked kinda like the basis for what others were doing to teach air scenting. I didn't know if I would need to teach "find it" to tell him I wanted him to look for something and then teach "antler" so he would know what to look for. Besides toys, this would probably be the only thing we searched for. I guess my new question is do you teach a "find it" command and a command for the article(antler)? I'm completly new at training a dog to scent out something, so I'm using this game as a learning experience.
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David C.Frost wrote 09/18/2006 02:11 PM Re: Shed antlers [Re: Michael_Wise ] #113968 - 09/18/2006 02:11 PM
David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002 Posts: 1204 Loc: Nashville, TN Offline	Find it would be good. If you have antlers laying around, start with those. Easy finds. Throw it in the grass, let the dog find it, reward. As the training progresses, make the problems longer and more difficult. Determine the type of response you want ie. sit, then introduce the response. DFrost Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
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Michael_Wise wrote 09/18/2006 02:54 PM Re: Shed antlers [Re: David C.Frost ] #113969 - 09/18/2006 02:54 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Thanks a million David! I just wanted to start out on the right track.(no pun intended)
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Howard Knauf wrote 09/18/2006 08:53 PM Re: Shed antlers [Re: Michael_Wise ] #113970 - 09/18/2006 08:53 PM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	I imagine a retrieve or bark on find would be the best. When walking through the woods its easy to lose sight of the dog and a sit response would be missed. Just thinking out loud. Howard http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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Michael_Wise wrote 09/19/2006 01:18 PM Re: Shed antlers [Re: Howard Knauf ] #113971 - 09/19/2006 01:18 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	He will retrieve anything if there is the promise of tug or throwing the ball, so I'll probably go that route. I think our only hurdle will be how long he'll hunt. I'm gonna take him somewhere new today and try some harder retrieves where he can't see them. He retrieves in unfamilar places, but hasn't had to hunt anywhere other than the backyard. Usually he is pretty intent on getting the ball no matter what, but we are talking about a JRT. I think I saw where OEDBS described them as having ADHD/OCD.
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Michael_Wise wrote 10/01/2006 04:29 PM Re: Shed antlers [Re: Michael_Wise ] #113972 - 10/01/2006 04:29 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: He will retrieve anything if there is the promise of tug or throwing the ball, so I'll probably go that route. Ok, so I was a little off. I introduced the antler to him today. I knew he was going to smell it over pretty good and I was going to mark and reward that. Everything went as planned, except I guess that antler smells alot more interesting than I thought. He took it and wanted to keep it. He was torn between the antler and his ball and finally couldn't resist the ball anymore, so I threw the ball and got the antler while he fetched the ball. How should I go about this next time? I didn't want to take it away and make him want to keep it from me next time, but don't know if letting him keep it for a little bit would hurt. He was still looking for it after I hid it so I got him side tracked with the ball and finished our play session. I promise I'm not trying to make this so complicated. Since we've started playing scent games, you can really see him start to use his nose ALOT more and I want to keep his learning progress going. I like the confidence I see since our OB and scent games started.
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