Jim Rutherford wrote 12/11/2006 06:49 PM Dog hates Obedience #120586 - 12/11/2006 06:49 PM
Jim Rutherford Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2006 Posts: 18 Loc: Michigan Offline	That's what I've run to. I have taken 2 dogs from the local shelter as a foster parent in hopes of them finding a permanent home with a little obedience. The Boxer / lab mix seems to love the attention and is excelling great with the obedience training. The Aussie / Golden seems to hate it. He is not a dominant dog. Very mellow out of the kennel, lays at my feet when out and doesn't want to play with the others. But when it comes to obedience training he just seems to hate the idea. With treats, he'll sit and down but without them he refuses to cooperate. Have you ever seen this before and if so, can you offer suggestions on an alternative method of training. I believe this dog would be a great pet for someone. He only wants attention - to be by your side - but ask him to sit and you'll be very dissapointed.
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Amber Morgan wrote 12/11/2006 06:57 PM Re: Dog hates Obedience [Re: Jim Rutherford ] #120588 - 12/11/2006 06:57 PM
Amber Morgan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1849 Loc: St. Louis, MO Offline	Are treats the only thing the dog is interested in? Some dogs work better for play time (balls, fetch, tug etc.) although it sounds like your dog prefers to nap... Anyway, the only thing I can think of is to find something that the dog is really enthusiastic about. Make sure he's hungry and lay on the praise...sound happy. By the way...has this dog had a medical work up done on him? There could be a reason for his apathy. Then again, it could be the Golden part of him that just lives to be a foot warmer! Good luck! Carbon
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 12/11/2006 07:21 PM Re: Dog hates Obedience [Re: Jim Rutherford ] #120591 - 12/11/2006 07:21 PM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	I think he's got you trained ,giving him treats and he'll sit but no treats he won't, sooo you use treats because other wise"no sit" Hummm very smart dog. I think dogs that "hate" obedience have never been trained with motivational techniques.When a dog does not like something that most dog might enjoy it's because they did not have a good experience with it.If you tell him sit and he does not, put him in a sit (physically, nicely) and as soon as he is in the sit position, tell him good boy get very bubbly pet him ,get kinda over joyed.(we're trying to bring him a play drive that way)Do it a few times until he gets the idea and sits by himself.No treat, lets try to get him in a play mode .A lot of times I mix obedience and play and they look very happy when we do obedience and love it.It should be fun.I love obedience and I always make that statement but really obedience should be fun.I hardly ever used treats ,only when they were pups.For recalls and basics.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/11/2006 08:55 PM Re: Dog hates Obedience [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #120616 - 12/11/2006 08:55 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I treat ob work as fun, too (which it is, IMO). Also, although "sessions" are very short, the commands happen all day long. I copied my post from another thread -- you might just substitute "sit" or any ob command for the recall. QUOTE: In addition to rewarding when the dog complies with the recall, you might want to call the dog (or give another ob command) often --- for every good thing. This gives you more reinforcement of the "ob command means good stuff" experience for the dog. That is, give an ob command before meals, for walks, for petting, for a game of fetch, for a ride in the car -- for everything the dog loves. END JMO!
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Kristine Velasco wrote 12/12/2006 06:49 AM Re: Dog hates Obedience [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #120627 - 12/12/2006 06:49 AM
Kristine Velasco Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2005 Posts: 297 Loc: Offline	Another idea is to never show the treat to the dog when giving commands. Start out by teaching the dog that he gets a treat after you say something like "Good boy" (marker). Then go with some nice smelling treats, show it to the dog, then hide it in your pocket, give a command, and when the dog obeys, say the marker, and THEN remove the treat and give it to them. Eventually try not showing the treat and only giving it at random intervals. Ditto also what the others said about making obedience fun--this was the hardest thing for me to learn, that OB should never take up more than a few minutes at least in the beginning stages so the dog is always eager to obey and treats it as play.
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Wendy Lefebvre wrote 12/12/2006 09:49 AM Re: Dog hates Obedience [Re: Kristine Velasco ] #120646 - 12/12/2006 09:49 AM
Wendy Lefebvre Webboard User Reg: 12-08-2005 Posts: 1271 Loc: Stoney Creek , Ontario, Canada Offline	Do you ALWAYS give him a treat when he does what you want him to do? If so, try switching it up a little. Let him see that you have a treat, but that doesn't mean you have to give it to him. Mix it up, say sit, give treat, say down...praise only. Make it so that he never knows when a treats coming. It could be on the first command, it could be on the last one. And don't forget, you shouldn't be asking him to do it, you should be telling him to do it. It's not an option to him wether or not he wants to do it. If he doesn't do what you want, make him do it. Give the command once, if he doesn't do it right away don't repeat the command, just put your hands on his rump and ease him into the sit, then praise him. By letting him get away with not listening, you're basically teaching him he doesn't have to do what you want. Don't complain....TRAIN!!!
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Angela Burrell wrote 12/12/2006 10:02 AM Re: Dog hates Obedience [Re: Wendy Lefebvre ] #120650 - 12/12/2006 10:02 AM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Try the NILIF method. You want to be petted? then SIT first. You want your supper? SIT before the dish goes on the floor and wait to be released. You wanna go out? SIT first. The dog doesn't get anything he wants until he does what YOU want. Wanna bone? DOWN. Want me to throw your ball? SIT. Want to greet the guest? SIT. Wanna cookie? DOWN.
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Sandy Moore wrote 12/14/2006 03:24 AM Re: Dog hates Obedience [Re: Jim Rutherford ] #120919 - 12/14/2006 03:24 AM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	Jim, you didn't mention how long you've had the 2 dogs, but regardless of that, I don't see anything wrong with total motivational obedience training at this point, especially with the Aussie/Golden. Start with him as if he's being trained for the first time in his life. Use treats all the time if that's what motivates him. No telling how he was "taught" with previous owner, perhaps with only force and no motivation. That might explain his lack of motivation. I would consider the dog has NOT been trained at this point and start over with him, with lots of treats and praise. It sounds as if he were not really trained at all. He may be sad or depressed depending on his life experience; something went wrong since he ended up in a shelter, probably through no fault of his own, and this needs to be taken into consideration. I would approach him as if he were new to all experiences, including training, and treat and praise for all accomplishments.
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Chris McMahon wrote 12/14/2006 04:14 AM Re: Dog hates Obedience [Re: Sandy Moore ] #120921 - 12/14/2006 04:14 AM
Chris McMahon Webboard User Reg: 08-04-2005 Posts: 84 Loc: Montana Offline	Cut his food in half or not at all and keep him crated. He will be hungry and ready to start earning some food and he will be anxious to be out of the crate. Which makes for a very willing pupil.
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Elaine Haynes wrote 12/14/2006 04:50 AM Re: Dog hates Obedience [Re: Chris McMahon ] #120923 - 12/14/2006 04:50 AM
Elaine Haynes Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2005 Posts: 1221 Loc: Offline	I totally agree. I would use very positive methods for now. The corrections can come later. You can also use games and catching the dog in the act of performing a wanted behavior and associating it with the command as additional ways to make training fun and interesting. "A dog wags his tail with his heart." Max Buxbaum
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