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Chris Jones 2 wrote 12/14/2006 06:49 PM Box training? #121064 - 12/14/2006 06:49 PM
Chris Jones 2 Webboard User Reg: 12-09-2006 Posts: 57 Loc: SoCal USA Offline	Has anyone seen this technique? Thoughts? http://www.eurosportk9.com/boxtraining.asp please check your URL bbcode syntax!!! http://protectiondogforums.com
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/14/2006 09:32 PM Re: Box training? [Re: Chris Jones 2 ] #121104 - 12/14/2006 09:32 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	QUOTING Ed Frawley: Chad Jackson asked about the BOX TRAINING on the web site. There is no difference between table training and what these people in the video are doing with dogs. Its junk yard training. END QUOTE Also, http://www.leerburg.com/tabletrain.htm And http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/35843/page/0/fpart/2
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Chris Jones 2 wrote 12/14/2006 09:37 PM Re: Box training? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #121107 - 12/14/2006 09:37 PM
Chris Jones 2 Webboard User Reg: 12-09-2006 Posts: 57 Loc: SoCal USA Offline	Oh, ok thanks. I didn't find that one in my search. please check your URL bbcode syntax!!! http://protectiondogforums.com
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Diana Matusik wrote 12/14/2006 10:24 PM Re: Box training? [Re: Chris Jones 2 ] #121112 - 12/14/2006 10:24 PM
Diana Matusik Webboard User Reg: 04-27-2004 Posts: 456 Loc: Central FL Offline	Forgive my ignorance here, but what's shown on the Eurosport video looks different than other "box training" examples I've seen. The ones I typically associate with box training are small tight spaces, actual boxes. This one in the video didn't look like typical box training. I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Could some of the experts enlighten me, please?
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Kevin Sheldahl wrote 12/15/2006 02:32 PM Re: Box training? [Re: Diana Matusik ] #121180 - 12/15/2006 02:32 PM
Kevin Sheldahl Moderator Reg: 07-11-2001 Posts: 1052 Loc: New Mexico Offline	I looked at what the videos show. They are stimulating prey drive not self-defense, survival, flight or fight behaviors. Not exactly sure what they are working towards here but its not cruel at all, the dogs are high in prey during the training and if they slip into self-defense the decoy isn't letting them stay there. With the emphasis soo big on grips these days we see lots of techniques developed to produce a very choreographed gripping of the sleeve, virtually the exact same location every single time (pain in the butt for those of us that then buy these dogs and have to convert them from sort work to police work). It is possible this is their way of teaching the vey repetitive full grip? and teaching the dog to stay in prey under some stress so the grips remain full and calm. K. Sheldahl http://k9services.com
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Kevin Sheldahl wrote 12/15/2006 02:38 PM Re: Box training? [Re: Kevin Sheldahl ] #121183 - 12/15/2006 02:38 PM
Kevin Sheldahl Moderator Reg: 07-11-2001 Posts: 1052 Loc: New Mexico Offline	I also think a lot of this work is designed to eliminate the need for a well educated handler. Just need someone to stand there. K. Sheldahl http://k9services.com
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Chris Jones 2 wrote 03/18/2007 12:26 PM Re: Box training? [Re: Kevin Sheldahl ] #133861 - 03/18/2007 12:26 PM
Chris Jones 2 Webboard User Reg: 12-09-2006 Posts: 57 Loc: SoCal USA Offline	I think Mike Diehl uses this method also. Wasn't he like the 2006 USA National Champion? please check your URL bbcode syntax!!! http://protectiondogforums.com
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Chris Jones 2 wrote 04/06/2007 04:37 PM Re: Box training? [Re: Chris Jones 2 ] #137056 - 04/06/2007 04:37 PM
Chris Jones 2 Webboard User Reg: 12-09-2006 Posts: 57 Loc: SoCal USA Offline	Sorry, that sounded a little snide. Tried to go back and change my last post but there is no way to change it here. please check your URL bbcode syntax!!! http://protectiondogforums.com
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Sarah At;las wrote 01/28/2008 08:49 AM Re: Box training? [Re: Chris Jones 2 ] #177729 - 01/28/2008 08:49 AM
Sarah At;las Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2008 Posts: 12 Loc: New Jersey, USA Offline	the purpose of the box training utilized by mike and eurosport is to develop a firm full bite. if the dog wants to keep his footing he must take a full bite and hang on.
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RobbinMann wrote 01/28/2008 09:09 AM Re: Box training? [Re: Sarah At;las ] #177732 - 01/28/2008 09:09 AM
RobbinMann Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2006 Posts: 842 Loc: Arizona Offline	I recently asked Ed personally concerning his opinion on this very training on this very website and trust me, his remarks weren't favorable. I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked. Jay Belcher and Levi Levi/Bella/Drogo
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