It seems to me that boxers are the "lessers" of the Sch breeds...I just wondering why they get no love...Is it the nerves (mainly i would assume American breeds for this flaw) or size factor???

From what I understand and this is coming from a SAR personel and previous Boxer owner, they are not good at tracking.Shorter snouts are usually not a preferred breed for tracking.As for nerves, they have become a bit like the Dobie ,where good ones (good nerves)are hard to find.
I don't have an aswer to why, I never hard the desire to get one of those breeds for Schutzhund.I do like Boxers however but I don't knwo that there are many very good breeders out there that breed for the sport.I could be wrong .

thanks for your response...

Harder to find breeders, hence harder to find good dogs...probably not a statement against the breed itself, it's hard to find good shepherds too, but because there's so many breeders around, you get a higher chance for them. Plus, the price factor will really deter me from getting a Boxer for myself...not just something I'm interested in.

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It seems to me that boxers are the "lessers" of the Sch breeds...I just wondering why they get no love...Is it the nerves (mainly i would assume American breeds for this flaw) or size factor???

Hi Ed. There are two guys who train with our group who have German working line boxers. They are awesome to watch! A couple of the dogs in particular are coming along very nicely in all of their work. "Bizzy" in particular is a little starlet in her OB work. She's just one of those dogs that has a little something extra in her attitude on the field. If you'd like to see pics of Bizzy, there is a link (just click on her name) to the owners web site off of http://www.JolietSchutzhund.com.

We're re-tooling our web site to add more picture links where people don't have their own web sites. Soon I hope to add some pictures of a really nice young male "Forseti." His drives are through the roof. He's not that big yet, but his handler has to literally drag him off the protection field like I've never seen before!

Both of these guys are committed to bringing nice boxers back into the SchH world in more numbers. They are both great guys and they like to be in touch with other boxer / SchH enthusiasts. You can get Ken's contact info off of his web site through the "Bizzy" link. If you would like Demetrius's contact info, PM me and I'll PM it back to you.

GO BOXERS!

Beth

Beth ,
Just to get more info in my tool box on different breeds, these boxers you are talking about are they titled? have you seen them track and what do you rate them as far as traking? Has it been an easy exercise for the handler as far as tracking?
Just curious..

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Beth ,
Just to get more info in my tool box on different breeds, these boxers you are talking about are they titled? have you seen them track and what do you rate them as far as traking? Has it been an easy exercise for the handler as far as tracking?
Just curious..

Between the two guys I mentioned, they have titled dogs as part of their breeding programs/pedigrees (titled in Germany). The two dogs who train here regularly - Bizzy and Forseti - I see mostly their protection work. Bizzy and her owner Ken earned their BH last fall (he has another trainer helping him with TR and OB, however he gets a lot of feedback here too), and hope to trial for SchH1 early this coming up season. Forseti is only about 8 months old. His protection foundation work is super, and he's just starting OB work now that the PR foundation is in place.

Both Ken and Demetrius have started foundation work on the track with both of these dogs. They are following the same methods promoted by our trainer for building the tracking foundation. From all I've heard, it's going well. I will be happy to provide more feedback as I get it.

These dogs are awesome, and I will be happy to gather more info and provide more info for anyone interested. I could see a working line boxer in my own future!

Beth

I didn't have any problems teaching my Boxer to track - she has her TD, and is TDX ready, I just can't get farther than 6th alternate on a test. I've also been doing Schutzhund tracking with her and she does fine. My older boy is OK, but he's got a few roadblocks which are unrelated to his muzzle.

It's funny - all of my initial exposure to Schutzhund was competely Boxer, then I saw GSD's, Mals, Dobes, etc., so I had no idea they had a bad rap...

PS Hi Beth! I met you at your place a few months ago - I have the little fawn female (Josie).

Beth ,Thanks for all the info.
I think that is awesome, I have always liked Boxers .We have a few in our neighborhood imported from England .They are beautiful and seem to have a good attitude. Keep me informed about their titles coming up we sometimes get questioned about why we don't have any boxers in our club or if their are many doing Schutzhund, it's nice to have real feed back....

Renee, I don't think they have a bad rap, Actually I have met quiet a few people that like Boxers, just don't know where to find ones that have good working line.As far as the tracking I think they are not as good as the GSD and other breeds. I had done some reading on it a while back and had talked to a SAR personel and he said the same thing, is it a fact that their noze are not as good? I don't know, I'm happy yours are doing well, and you are having success with them, it would be nice to know a good breeder for Boxers that have working back ground, and titles.Like I said I like the breed, always have