Michele McAtee wrote 01/06/2007 07:04 PM Cigarette smoking #123660 - 01/06/2007 07:04 PM
Michele McAtee Webboard User Reg: 02-05-2006 Posts: 1121 Loc: Iowa City, Iowa Offline	Ok folks, I'm going to post, ask your opinions about something that's been on my mind. I plan to be getting a new pup soon, doing a lot of "homework" of late. I've been really introspective about some things and one issue I've thought about is my weakness(es) and how this can or will affect my leadership ability with a working line shepherd. My greatest weaknesses, IMO, is that I smoke cigarettes daily, *only* outside my home. I've tried to quit several times over the years, so I do know I am closer, and have patches I purchased over the holiday...OK...I *KNOW* I'm better off quitting. But, this is my question. Is it possible for a dog to lose respect and/or to be able to detect and take advantage of this particular "weakness" in its human leader? My first dog preyed on fear in others, their weakness. Can anyone shed some light on this one? Perhaps I'm thinking too much.
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Dennis Jones wrote 01/06/2007 07:38 PM Re: Cigarette smoking [Re: Michele McAtee ] #123663 - 01/06/2007 07:38 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	uh, your pulling our leg, aren't you ? I got loads of personal weaknesses and bad habits, I don't think my dogs love me any less and they don't nag me to quit any of them
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Michael_Wise wrote 01/06/2007 07:45 PM Re: Cigarette smoking [Re: Michele McAtee ] #123664 - 01/06/2007 07:45 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Congrats on quitting! I'm about 2 months into quitting. Sorry I don't have a good answer to your question.
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Dennis Jones wrote 01/06/2007 07:51 PM Re: Cigarette smoking [Re: Michael_Wise ] #123665 - 01/06/2007 07:51 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	I quit in 97, used nicorette gum, best thing you can do is stay away from other smokers for atleast six weeks
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Jennifer Hart wrote 01/06/2007 07:56 PM Re: Cigarette smoking [Re: Dennis Jones ] #123667 - 01/06/2007 07:56 PM
Jennifer Hart Webboard User Reg: 07-24-2005 Posts: 268 Loc: CA, San Benito Offline	My husband quit about 3 years ago, he had to use the perscription drug to do it. He tried gum, patches, etc. Cold turkey after 2 weeks of being on the drugs did it. Good luck, it's not easy. And no, I don't think dogs care if you smoke or have a glass of wine with dinner or any other weakness or bad habit. If my dog barked at me every time I had a glass of wine he'd go hoarse.
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Polly Gregor wrote 01/06/2007 10:46 PM Re: Cigarette smoking [Re: Michele McAtee ] #123680 - 01/06/2007 10:46 PM
Polly Gregor Webboard User Reg: 12-02-2005 Posts: 341 Loc: NYC Offline	I am sure your dog has no idea that smoking is a weakness. But, dogs owned by smokers do get cancer far more often then dogs owned by non-smokers, so keep the second hand smoke far away from the pup. I think it is a great time for you to quit, though. There is a new drug Chantix (Pfizer) that is supposed to be very effective in blocking cravings, far better then patches, gum or another drug used recently, the anti-depressant Zyban.
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Bob Scott wrote 01/07/2007 01:01 AM Re: Cigarette smoking [Re: Polly Gregor ] #123688 - 01/07/2007 01:01 AM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	I quit 38yrs ago when they were 30-35 cents a pack. I'd freak out if I had to by a pack of the nasty things today cause I was smoking 2-3 packs a day. With the dogs nose being so sensitive, that would be good enough reason to quit. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 01/07/2007 04:10 AM Re: Cigarette smoking [Re: Bob Scott ] #123694 - 01/07/2007 04:10 AM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	I'm with Dennis , I don't think any bad habits will dictate what leadership you'll have with your dog. My weakness is chocolate and I don't think they care, if it was up to them they'd want me to share. Cool you are trying to quit, good luck on it
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Michele McAtee wrote 01/07/2007 06:55 AM Re: Cigarette smoking [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #123696 - 01/07/2007 06:55 AM
Michele McAtee Webboard User Reg: 02-05-2006 Posts: 1121 Loc: Iowa City, Iowa Offline	Dennis! I was totally serious! LOL. Not pulling yer leg at all! I think I started thinking too much, as the pup is still about 4 months out and I'm going crazy with no dog! I was off on a tangent, too philosophical. Wondering if maybe smokers had a more difficult time with training *because* the dog sensed that as a weakness? It makes sense though that the dog would initially have to be trained to understand smoking as a weakness, otherwise how would he know? I am looking for extreme ob in my next dog and training for SchH, so it will be a bit different than the 2 dogs I've raised in the past. Hey, and thanks to all for the support in quitting--didn't mean for the thread to spiral into a smokers anonymous meeting though!
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Michael_Wise wrote 01/07/2007 09:41 AM Re: Cigarette smoking [Re: Michele McAtee ] #123705 - 01/07/2007 09:41 AM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Mhmmmmmmmmm.....cigarettes I see what your saying. In some people(not all, this isn't a sweeping judgment)I guess it could be a sign of some psychological weakness. Like everyone else I don't think the dog has the ability to relate smoking to anything. I was scared to death to smoke around my dogs. They could be across the yard and start sneezing from it.
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