I have a question about the titles and wording on pedigrees. I don't know what most of it means. Is there a listing somewhere I could study?

Here is a link to my Sheeba's pedigree from her great grandfather. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/7/393890.html

I am totally lost when it comes to understanding most of it.

this link has pictures of the dogs on the pedigree
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/393890.html

Another question is, it seems she has excellent working bloodline from her sires side. But I havent had any luck with the dams side. I still have some searching to do. With all the good lines from her sire from overseas, but probally some American lines from her dam, how is her gene pool looking?

I got her at nearly two years old, already set in her ways so to speak. She would have made a great Schutzhund dog I just know it. She is Alpha dog to the T. Very headstrong and confident. Would these traits carry on over to her pups? I am really new to all of this and have alot of learning to do.

I had gs when I was growing up but did not have one again until about 4 years ago when we got her. I bought a male but did not know anything about working lines at that time. I am pretty sure he is from americam lines, havent done that search yet. I want to start a breeding program but want good lines to start with.

Any advice or info would be greatly appreciated.

SchH1/2/3 is are Schutzhund titles for Tracking/Obedience/Protection.

IPO1/2/3 is basically the same thing.

FH is a seperate tracking title under the Schutzhund program.

BH is the entry level obedience title for Schutzhund.

I think the titled that start with IP, i.e. IP3 etc are typo's since I don't know of any IP3 titles, but I could be wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me

PH1/2 is the Dutch KNPV sport title.

Don't remember what VH is, I'm thinking it's the Swedish protection sport? I'm probably wrong though.

I don't see any american lines in that dog at all. I see she is a Gildo great granddaughter, Gildo is a hard dog. I also see the Tiekerhook kennel name there on the sire's side, they produce some excellent dogs too, but I don't know anything about that particular dog.

The tiekerhook bitches on this pedigree are the foundation dogs of this kennel. Esthera Tiekerhook is one of the most prepotent dogs of our time.

Glenda,

Tell was/is a nice dog, with a very nice pedigree. I did not know Tell personally, but did have the opportunity to know his mother Rani. She was an excellent female and producer. Tell was owned and handled by Pam & Gary Hanrahan, who are also from Alabama, so you could try to contact them for more info on Tell himself. He was schown in SchH at the regional & National level by them.

VH1/2/3 as a sport title is the Dutch equivilant to SchH. DH is a German Police Dog Title.

As far as breeding, I'd be interested in seeing the arents and grandparents of your dogs. If Tell is the G-Grandfather, that is great, but there will be more influence from the mmore recent generations.

Oops I misread the original post, didn't realize that was from the great grandfather on. Hence my comment about not seeing American lines... guess I should read more carefully first thing in the morning Thats quite a distant pedigree! I don't think I would choose to breed any dog from american lines... seems like it'd be more of a crapshoot that the pup turned out good rather than careful breeding. But I've seen it done once or twice with decent results.

I did a tad more searching and actually did a little updating on the registry. I got it from Tell to my girls father updated, But I am having no luck with the mothers side. The AKC pedigree I have only lists 3 generations and none of them are showing up in the registry. So probally her mothers side are all American?

When you say

 Quote: Mike J Schoonbrood

I don't think I would choose to breed any dog from american lines... seems like it'd be more of a crapshoot that the pup turned out good rather than careful breeding. But I've seen it done once or twice with decent results.

Do you mean to get good working dogs? She just had a litter of 8 pups that were nice, I sold them all, they were bred to my American? male. Most people around here are not interested in sport dogs like most here, they just want a good, healthy, family pet. I had one couple tell me they prefer the American line when they were inquiring about the pedigree. While some don't mind spending the big bucks for a top performer there are those who simply can't. That being said they still deserve a healthy stable dog and that is the responsibility of the breeder.

So I guess if I want to have working lines I need to invest and get a new pair. And for those wanting a just a family pet use the two I have now.

What about getting a good male to breed with my female?

I really appreciate all the help, I have already learned so much from this site!

So you are asking these types of questions, yet are already breeding your dogs? You are putting the cart before the horse, to put it kindly. Waht in the world made you think it was a good idea to breed knowing nothing about breeding?

Hi Glenda,
You didn't say if your dog's hips and elbows were OK. I'm guessing you don't know much about genetics, if you are having a hard time reading a pedigree. Are you sure you should be breeding German Shepherds? In what way are you improving the breed?

Wow, I didnt expect this response!

The hips and elbows are ok, from the breeders vet and according to their xrays. My dogs are healthy and sound with great temperments. They are vet checked. They just may not have the pedigree the ones around here do. Do you just assume I have bad dogs?? Do you think I would breed bad dogs just for the heck (or profit) of it? That is the way I took those posts and I must say I am offended by it.

I may not know everything about breeding true, but I do know NOT to breed unhealthy sick dogs, thank you. My dogs are very healthy and are treated as family members. I passed on several dogs before I selected these two. I did not go out and grab the first dog I saw, regardless of its health.

I came to this site to learn more about breeding, seems you assume I know nothing of it.

I stated I did not know what all the titles on the german working line of dogs stood for as I am not familiar with that line of dogs.

I had American lines in the past. It is of course my goal to improve the breed. I would never degrade it in any way.