my dog bruno, vets and strangers
#131834 - 03/05/2007 12:58 PM |
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Bruno my dog has had a real bad start in life, he was beaten to a pulp as a puppy by two asian men, now 7 monthes later he cant stand to be any way near men or asian men, he doesnt like strangers at all but esp them.
so today i took him to the vet to have him castratedi made sure i had his short lead and muzzle. when it came to be weighed the woman vet try stroke him, he was ok for 10 seconds then he squel like hell.then i leave and come back later to pick him up,
i went to pick him up and was at reception and they went to fetch him and of course he screm the place down! she brought him out with a slip lead on because she couldnt get mine on him and she said that he so hard to handle they put in disolvable stitches in and i have to come back for check up but thats it. she also said that he badly needs to go to a behavior clinic because he that bad.
can this problem ever be cured, its fear he acts with, not aggressively most of the time. but as i cant afford tpo take him to any behavior clinic what do i do,
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#131839 - 03/05/2007 01:29 PM |
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I don't think that your dog seing an"Asian" sets him off , it sounds from the clinic behavior he demonstrated ,that he gets excited (in a bad way)by anyone.Just from the abuse he has endured, he is unsecure around any strangers it makes no difference what nationalities they are.You have to give him good corrections when he behaves badly.Corrections that will make him understand that he does not dictate how and when things happen.You are in control of that.Sometimes our emotions do more harm than good and when we get an abuse animal our first thought is too give him all the love and attention he has missed, forgeting to put rules and boundaries in place with the dog, instead we feed the bad behavior with affection.Not a good thing.
I would start putting on a tight leash(figure of speech) and show him the way to a healthy pack structure by you being the leader at all times.JMO
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#131840 - 03/05/2007 01:30 PM |
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I can't tell you how to help undo the damage done in his past but I can address the learning curve/money issue. If I had your dog and money was an issue:
I'd read everything I could on Leerburg's website
I'd search all previous posts for people stating a similar problem and see how they handled it
I'd post questions like you did today.
It's a formidable start!
Common sense too would do wonders for keeping his demons in check (I'm guessing anyway). I.E., there are meds that can be given to calm a dog going on a flight, or in this case, going to the vet. I'd read up on them for future use/need.
Sounds like you may possibly have a fear biter, which, I think, might require the use of a muzzle at times. I'd research the best at the least cost so you're ready in case you need one.
Are you able to take him to obedience lessons? Maybe you can find one who is also a behaviorist. If group lessons are not the thing for you (they'd be the cheapest) maybe you can work out private lessons at a discounted rate - just tell your story (your dog's story). If I were a trainer, that would be enough for me to drop my price for you .
I learned a lot on this website. I think we all have. You'll benefit too.
Good luck with everything and kudos for rescuing your dog. You're a hero in book any day of the week .
BTW, I wouldn't necessarily go by the comment at the vets as the end all, be all of your dog's needs. They may have handled him in a way that was less than stellar. Just a thought.
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#131864 - 03/05/2007 05:04 PM |
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i always praise and make it a good thing when someone new comes? try get him happy to see them, when he acts badly i tell him off n soon as he stops i praise but when im not there like today thats a problem, he a lovely boy with me and he stuck to me like glue since we got back. he is a very obeidiant dog, does as i say when i say it i will give him that.
i have a good stronge muzzle for these types of ocasions lol. and yes i can see where you are coming from when i pointed out he doesnt like asian men. i not being funny with other races and dont want to cause offence but he will growl at them in the street with other strangers he doesnt. i tell him off of course but wounds and scares as deep as his will take time to heal.
i am unemployed at the moment so as soon as i got job i take him to puppy school x
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#131909 - 03/05/2007 10:11 PM |
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Hi Toni,
Hopefully you can find a vet that is a bit more suitable for handling your type of dog. My dog is very bad with vets, before she was always muzzled when she was examined. A new vet I take her to actually takes his time with her and backs off a bit when she seems very stressed during exams and may show her teeth. The best thing for us to do was to bring her outside in a less confine space. When she goes to the vet she shakes pretty badly on the way over (last time she went it was for spaying and she stayed overnight). I think it might be best to look into calming drugs for your next trip to the vet. The other thing with my dog is she acts up a lot when she is around me, when the vet takes her with him she is fine as long as she can't see me. Sounds to me like your dog just acts up whenever. You should start building a good solid leadership with the dog.
The other thing is I actually have met a dog that was racist, but it may have been trained this way, weird thing was the dog guarded a church. I tested the dog with co-workers to see who it would and would not react to when out at that job.
Good luck.
Kimberly
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#131930 - 03/06/2007 06:30 AM |
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i dont no, he seems to link other asians to the people that hurt him, its a mestery lol.
he was lovely going to the vets, perfect, infact the best he ever been. i think thats going to change now though! "take me there again! I DONT THINK SO!"
i am a little concerned for him though, i only had him nuetered yesterday and im not to sure if this is normal but he has to me any way look as if he swollen, not where his stitches are though but on his scrotum, he now looks as if he still got them
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#131934 - 03/06/2007 06:49 AM |
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i have made an appiontment at the vets because it is worrying me but its not till 5 15 pm,
i just dont want anything to go wrong. im like an over protective mother. lol
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#131935 - 03/06/2007 06:54 AM |
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Toni, is anyone at your vet's office an Asian? If so, I would just take your puppy to another vet in the future, to avoid any trauma. You said he has more problems with Asians. I've read the term "racist" applied to dogs sometimes and it should never be applied to a dog; it's a human term. A dog goes by "association", so it's understandable he has a problem with Asians and men in his case. There's a BAD association there. At the same time they were humans, hence the bad association with all strangers, especially men and Asians. Makes perfect sense.
He may never completely get rid of all the fear but it will take a lot of time and effort on your part to help him through most of it. Judy's suggestion of reading all you can on this site and forum is good.
As far as what the vet said, don't let anyone make you feel badly about your dog, that he's behaving badly. It sounds like your puppy is coming along wonderfully. He's young still and has a lot of maturing and confidence to gain and it sounds like you're doing a good job with him.
A vet told me once (in a disapproving tone) that his receptionist teaches obedience classes and I should take my pup there cause my pup jumped on him (at 3 months old!). Yeah, right, I'm going to take my pup to some stranger to train the basics. Not on your life. If a vet can't handle a 3 month old jumping on him cause he's happy (!) to see him, then tough cookies (he's not my vet anymore). Besides, I'm training up a working dog and his "manners" don't matter that much to me at this point. He's coming along just fine and I'm in no rush. If there's an important hump we need to get over and I'm not sure how to do it, I'll seek advice from someone I respect (and have done so). I've taught my pup the basics and that's good enough for me at this point. Slow gets to good.
As for the guys who did that to your pup, I hope the same comes back to them.
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#131937 - 03/06/2007 07:28 AM |
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he certainly is a happy little chap! or big i should say.
the people that did this too him need shooting. i dont take to animal cruelty. its disgusting, attacking an animal that simply cant defend itself.
All the vets where he got castrated were women but because they were not taking the time to even talk to him this really did not help matters. but this was the only vets for miles that worked with spaywatch. which is a charity that helps you pay for the operation.
i will today though take him to my now local vets who i used to take all my other animals too. i do like these ones, i no they are good.
that alone is bringing piece to mind . anyway i will keep you all posted lol.
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he certainly is a happy little chap! or big i should say.
the people that did this too him need shooting. i dont take to animal cruelty. its disgusting, attacking an animal that simply cant defend itself.
All the vets where he got castrated were women but because they were not taking the time to even talk to him this really did not help matters. but this was the only vets for miles that worked with spaywatch. which is a charity that helps you pay for the operation.
i will today though take him to my now local vets who i used to take all my other animals too. i do like these ones, i no they are good.
that alone is bringing piece to mind . anyway i will keep you all posted lol.
xxx
p.s your puppy sounds sweet, is this picture of him/or her?
i love black gsd 's. i was going to get one before i rescue bruno. the picture is a bit big because i have not got round to resizing it yet but the link is my dog bruno at 6 monthes old, he alot bigger now and a bit darker with a nice studded black collar that makes him look the part lol. i like to call him a huskita shepard. crossed with husky x gsd and akita. lol
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