I am a little confused, the "pager" button on the Dogtra remote, is this used a form of praise for the dog? Im still new to the remote training, but so far it is amazing, and I will never train again without one!

Is this like a pager button for a phone when it's lost? Does it just beep?

The Dogtra pager vibrates right? I use it as a reminder/correction for the dog once they associate the vibrate with the correction.

 Quote: Mike J Schoonbrood

The Dogtra pager vibrates right? I use it as a reminder/correction for the dog once they associate the vibrate with the correction.

Yes the Dogtra pager vibrates. I use it the same way.

Yes, on the side it has a button "pager"on the handheld and the collar will vibrate, should I being using this for praise or for correcting?

Trainer I talked to says the pager bothers the dog more than a Nic, so she never recommends using it.

You can make it a punishment or a reward depending on what you associate the sensation with. My trainer is having me get one for my deaf dog and the idea is vibe = treat and move on from there. I believe the plan so far is to use the vibe for her as a signal for recall. If just the feeling bothers the dog then perhaps having a very high level reward associated with it or desensitizing the dog to it by padding the collar for a bit so the sensation isn't as powerful.

NOTE: I am not a dog trainer. I am though a behavior consult for people with mental illness and developmental disabilities with severe behavior problems. So whatever I am saying is coming from my experience there. I am currently seeing a professional dog trainer recommended on this site for my deaf pit bull. It is amazing the similarities in approach to training, learning, and behavior!

In behavior modification theories for people and dogs if you associate a known reward (treat) with a neutral stimulus (hand signal or vibration or whatever) the neutral stimulus over time becomes a reward too. Probably why "good doggie!" can make a doggies tail wag - definately not an instinct but paired so many times with praise and rewards. . . . Densensitization is similar except you are pairing a known reward with controlled levels of an adversive stimulus.

Has anybody heard of the program "sit means sit" by Fred Hassen? I noticed that he uses a an e-collar but I'm curious to know just how he uses it. I can't tell if he's using it as a reward or as punishment. The little video clips I see of him it seems like he gets results quickly. This is what makes me wonder about how he's using the collar.

I use the pager as a recall almost soley. It doesn't seem to bother my dog, he keeps on truckin, just changes direction and heads towards me. I use a short page to tell him he's going to far away from me and he'll come closer but not to my side. I use a longer page and he'll come to my area, real close. If he's in the yard I'll give him 2 short pages, then call his name and he comes runnin and heals. If I can see that he ignores the page I'll start with the corrections so he knows if he disobeys the pager, he get a stim. He rarely, if never, ignores the pager.

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Has anybody heard of the program "sit means sit" by Fred Hassen? I noticed that he uses a an e-collar but I'm curious to know just how he uses it. I can't tell if he's using it as a reward or as punishment. The little video clips I see of him it seems like he gets results quickly. This is what makes me wonder about how he's using the collar.

If you do a search on Fred Hassen on this site, there have been numerous threads that discussed him. I have never really used the pager feature on the dogtra collars that I have owned. I am on my second collar and just "turned it on" fpr the first time on my young male at a Michael Ellis seminar this weekend. Let's just say my ACD is not very sensitive :-p