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I have Ed's video(s) and it shows how to use the prong by placing it high up on the neck and "fairly" tight (tight meaning not to slide down the neck and just hang there).
My question is: Is there any benefit to using the prong low and only on one ring (I think It is called the live ring??)
Buddy of mine's Vet told him that is theonly way it is to be used?? Just wondering.
I like when both th Dead and Live ring are "high & Tight". I also thought I read about neck muscle development and nerve problems in that low area of the neck?
Anne Vaini Webboard User Reg: 07-14-2005
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Buddy of mine's Vet told him that is the only way it is to be used?? Just wondering.
Low and loose is how a prong can cause injury. When the collar is high and tight, the prongs pinch the dog's skin. When it is low and loose, the dog is pulling directly into the prongs and they can cause bruising and broken skin.
Most vets have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to diet/nutrition, training or breeding.
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Buddy of mine's Vet told him that is the only way it is to be used?? Just wondering.
Low and loose is how a prong can cause injury. When the collar is high and tight, the prongs pinch the dog's skin. When it is low and loose, the dog is pulling directly into the prongs and they can cause bruising and broken skin.
Most vets have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to diet/nutrition, training or breeding.
Ditto on the collar comment and I agree with the vet statement to a point, however, I really like my vet, he is open and willing to research about what I do and what my dogs needs are. AND he supports my RAW feeding..... You just have to find them.
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Well, that's what I thought just becasue of the injury issue, but I thought I would ask. His vet is pretty good (so I hear) very progressive about raw diet and other such issues that we have discussed here (diet, vaccinations...), but as far as training I didn't know; so I asked...
I never take one point of view or methodology as the "rule" but I thought maybe there was a chance. Should have known better, never have I seen in all the books or sites I've been to in the last year and a half has anybody suggested that method...
Just to add, not only does a prong work better high and tight, but any and all collars should be placed there when used in training or having control. Ie: conformation shows.
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Does anyone know where to find some documentation on why not to place a prong low and/or loose? I get into this debate fairly often and most people are not willing to change their way of doing things without "the proof".
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Brad, do you mean documentation to why having the collar high works better for training/control or why having the collar low causes injury as well as not being as effective?
I think that documentation for the collar being more effective placed high on the neck isn't really necessary as the proof is in all of the results evidenced from trainer after trainer doing it with dog after dog.
If you're looking for documentation on what happens to the dog's neck if collars are placed low, I'm sure I could find you some studies if you let me know.
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Does anyone know where to find some documentation on why not to place a prong low and/or loose? I get into this debate fairly often and most people are not willing to change their way of doing things without "the proof".
If you google it, dozens of sites (starting with Leerburg) will pop up, and they all agree.
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Actually I was looking all over the internet the other day fr references and sites that state high and tight and every one state high, I couldn't find a single one that reccommended low and loose???
Anybody here have a site that does reccommend low and loose??
Just wondering, and wanting to see what is actually said??
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