John Laurel wrote 05/05/2007 10:00 AM Is a STAY command necessary? #140713 - 05/05/2007 10:00 AM
John Laurel Webboard User Reg: 02-04-2007 Posts: 82 Loc: Manila, Philippines Offline	I'm just wondering if STAY is really necessary. If I give a SIT command, wouldn't it be logical to expect the dog to sit still until I give a release command? Same thing goes for the down command. This came to mind when I read the Crossing the Street thread in this forum where one would give a "wait" command. Couldn't I just make him SIT or even DOWN on a curb or doorway and expect/teach him NOT to move until a release command?
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susan tuck wrote 05/05/2007 10:09 AM Re: Is a STAY command necessary? [Re: John Laurel ] #140714 - 05/05/2007 10:09 AM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	Yes, John you are correct. In schutzhund, you would never give a "stay" command. "Sit" should mean "sit until I say otherwise"!
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Sarah Morris wrote 05/05/2007 10:59 AM Re: Is a STAY command necessary? [Re: susan tuck ] #140717 - 05/05/2007 10:59 AM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	Hi John, I asked this same question a while ago and the consensus was "stay" is not necessary but a clear release command is. I forgot to teach a release. Once my pup learned the release "OK" it made his ability to hold a "sit" and "down" easier. True
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Alex Corral wrote 05/05/2007 11:21 AM Re: Is a STAY command necessary? [Re: Sarah Morris ] #140726 - 05/05/2007 11:21 AM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	Hey John, I agree with everyone else. Like Sarah, I had a recent thread aksing the same question.."How many people use the "stay" command?" I don't use "stay" with my dog and am always fighting to get my wife to stop using "stay". A LOT of people use it and I feel it's not necessary. A release command IS necessary and A LOT of people don't use that.
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 05/05/2007 12:43 PM Re: Is a STAY command necessary? [Re: Alex Corral ] #140735 - 05/05/2007 12:43 PM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	The only time I use "stay" is actually for my "stand " in motion. I say stay, not stand.Because really he should"stay" in any position he is at the time I say "stay" I use the command "stay" when I brush them ect... so they know that stay is stand and stay..
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Keleah Schmaltz wrote 05/05/2007 05:30 PM Re: Is a STAY command necessary? [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #140775 - 05/05/2007 05:30 PM
Keleah Schmaltz Webboard User Reg: 09-28-2006 Posts: 186 Loc: ND Offline	I agree that "sit" means "sit" and "down" means "down"- a good clear release word("ok", whatever you want) is the key to this as was said by Susan, Sarah and Alex. My GSD knows this, my Lab is learning(quickly). "Draw freely upon your imagination" Albert Einstein
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John Laurel wrote 05/06/2007 10:12 AM Re: Is a STAY command necessary? [Re: Keleah Schmaltz ] #140807 - 05/06/2007 10:12 AM
John Laurel Webboard User Reg: 02-04-2007 Posts: 82 Loc: Manila, Philippines Offline	Many thanks folks! I noticed it takes great patience on a trainer/owner's part to teach a dog (in my case a very playful 3-month old pup) to be still. I decided to let him be for a while. I'll teach him to be still when he's about 6 mos.
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