Guest1 wrote 06/20/2007 07:44 AM Locker Searches #145495 - 06/20/2007 07:44 AM
Guest1 Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2002 Posts: 860 Loc: Iowa Offline	For those who've done school locker searches... If someone were to ask if you could, on your own, perform a school sweep with just you and your dog, how many lockers would you estimate you could get through? And how long would it take you? I'm not talking about what the limit is of your dog's attention in one long, drawn-out, findless search. I'm more curious as to what would be entirely practical. "Without burning out my dog, I could get through_______lockers in__________minutes, having duly taken appropriate breaks and finds, and then I'd have to call it a day." Or, does it greatly depend on how many scheduled finds you make, breaks you take, or any other variables?
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David C.Frost wrote 06/20/2007 08:23 AM Re: Locker Searches [Re: Guest1 ] #145498 - 06/20/2007 08:23 AM
David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002 Posts: 1204 Loc: Nashville, TN Offline	This is one of those questions that you should be able to, not only answer, but be able to show from your training records. A well kept training record is like a road map. It tells you where you are and how to get where you are going. DFrost Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
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Howard Knauf wrote 06/20/2007 08:29 AM Re: Locker Searches [Re: Guest1 ] #145499 - 06/20/2007 08:29 AM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	Depends on your dogs' conditioning, his focus, temperature, speed in which your dog works efficiently, indoors or out, distractions, handler prowess, redirects because of behavour changes and break times. As the search drags on the search times decrease and the rest periods increase. It is not a constant. Only the handler knows what his dog is capable of doing. http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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Howard Knauf wrote 06/20/2007 08:31 AM Re: Locker Searches [Re: Howard Knauf ] #145500 - 06/20/2007 08:31 AM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	Beat me to it again David http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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David C.Frost wrote 06/20/2007 08:33 AM Re: Locker Searches [Re: Howard Knauf ] #145501 - 06/20/2007 08:33 AM
David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002 Posts: 1204 Loc: Nashville, TN Offline	ooops, sorry Howard ha ha. With this class going on, I get a few minutes in the morning, then out in the field. In the evening, if I don't fall asleep at the computer, I may get a little more time. DFrost Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
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Howard Knauf wrote 06/20/2007 08:44 AM Re: Locker Searches [Re: David C.Frost ] #145502 - 06/20/2007 08:44 AM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	I guess you got to get up pretty late in the day for me to get over. LOL http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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Guest1 wrote 06/20/2007 01:30 PM Re: Locker Searches [Re: Howard Knauf ] #145526 - 06/20/2007 01:30 PM
Guest1 Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2002 Posts: 860 Loc: Iowa Offline	Quote: Only the handler knows what his dog is capable of doing. And you, sir, are a handler who knows what his dog is capable of doing. That's why I'm asking. I've never seen a school sweep. Let's say you, personally, go into a air conditioned school with your dog alone with 500 lockers. You'd estimate you'd be out of there when?
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Jason Demko wrote 06/20/2007 02:04 PM Re: Locker Searches [Re: Guest1 ] #145530 - 06/20/2007 02:04 PM
Jason Demko Webboard User Reg: 07-02-2003 Posts: 60 Loc: PA Offline	Steve, I can say that with my dog 500 lockers cool temps 68-74F, lockers on two floors including locker rooms with no indications could be done in about an hour and a half - 2 hrs. But I can usualy get a good 60 minutes of searching out of my guy before he needs a break. That being said at some point around the 30-45 minute mark I'll want to set up a find so he dosen't loose interest and start giving false indications out of frustration. When I do school sweeps I don't do any searches during the sweep. We lock the school down and mark all indications to come back to. The school administration preforms all the actual searches. Now that being said on any given day those times may vary from a few minutes to an hour, depending on the dogs mood and the administration. They don't always move as fast as we would like them to. Jason Jason Some days you're the dog, and some days you're the hydrant.
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Howard Knauf wrote 06/20/2007 03:09 PM Re: Locker Searches [Re: Jason Demko ] #145542 - 06/20/2007 03:09 PM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	As a rule, when working my bomb dog I would work 15 minutes, then rest 15 minutes. The reason being that it is a crucial search and just about EVERYTHING has to be sniffed. Also, the search could go on for more than two hours depending on the area searched so with regular breaks the dog stays pretty fresh and reliable. I gave the dog a find with a different odor at every 15 min search portion sometime during that part. My drug dog I would go longer between breaks. An hour is a little long for me though. He would still get regular finds to keep him honest. Jason's estimation is pretty close. My drug dog worked at a pretty good clip so its do-able. Howard http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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David C.Frost wrote 06/20/2007 04:57 PM Re: Locker Searches [Re: Guest1 ] #145564 - 06/20/2007 04:57 PM
David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002 Posts: 1204 Loc: Nashville, TN Offline	We don't do many schools with drug dogs, the cities and counties usually do that. With our EDD's however, we routinely train 30 minute problems with one find toward the end. Building stamina in search is like training to be a runner. YOu can either be a sprinter or a long distance runner. My point in my first post is, measure what you can do. The only way you can truly measure that is to train. Answer two questions when you set up training. Can my dog physically search for x number of minutes. Can my dog search, proficiently at x number of minutes. DFrost Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
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