John Laurel wrote 07/27/2007 09:52 AM Opinions on this anti-raw site... #149882 - 07/27/2007 09:52 AM
John Laurel Webboard User Reg: 02-04-2007 Posts: 82 Loc: Manila, Philippines Offline	What are your views on this site? This guy seems to be suggesting that nature isn't a good role model for feeding...sheesh http://www.secondchanceranch.com/training/raw_meat/index.html
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Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote 07/27/2007 10:12 AM Re: Opinions on this anti-raw site... [Re: John Laurel ] #149889 - 07/27/2007 10:12 AM
Cindy Easton Rhodes Moderator Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 2069 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	this site has been around forever. It's actually kind of amusing they way they talk about their "research". If this person doesn't want to feed raw, who cares? Hopefully most folks don't just take their word, or my word or anyone elses on how to properly care for their dogs. Everyone needs to do their own research and make choices based on something other than scare tactics. I personally think the way they present their very uneducated and narrow minded opinions make me question their credibility on any topic. Cindy cindyr@leerburg.com
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John Laurel wrote 07/27/2007 10:52 AM Re: Opinions on this anti-raw site... [Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ] #149899 - 07/27/2007 10:52 AM
John Laurel Webboard User Reg: 02-04-2007 Posts: 82 Loc: Manila, Philippines Offline	You're right on the dot! He keeps on talking about his "research" and cannot present a single, solid, empirical datum that supports his counter-claims. He presents isolated, unverifiable instances on how a raw diet harmed a lot of pets. He likewise states that wolves have a lifespan of 6-7 years, implying that it is due to a raw diet...how wreckless and unscientific can you get!
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Guest1 wrote 07/27/2007 01:44 PM Re: Opinions on this anti-raw site... [Re: John Laurel ] #149917 - 07/27/2007 01:44 PM
Guest1 Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2002 Posts: 860 Loc: Iowa Offline	Quote: I have a wolf sanctuary, and the truth is that wild-born wolves taken into captivity are typically malnourished. Perhaps because they're abandoned? Research aside, so much of what she says isn't even a correctly assembled argument. Burden of proof misplaced here, insane correlations there... You don't even need any special knowledge or research to recognize that almost any given sentence of hers is: -Inherently unable to be substantiated -Has to be heavily qualified for context. Ridiculous woman. Don't even bother.
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Alex Corral wrote 07/27/2007 01:53 PM Re: Opinions on this anti-raw site... [Re: John Laurel ] #149920 - 07/27/2007 01:53 PM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	I've spent a couple of hours reading through that site and there is some interesting info, but a lot of it also seems like total BS. One of the links on this page, takes you to how to select ther perfect food for your breed of dog, but it's all the same scripture, with the exception of your dog breed of course! http://home.att.net/~wdcusick/free.html Another thing, I noticed repeatedly was the high fat content in raw meat, and it's link to dogs dying of pancreatis? What do you all think of that? I'm new to BARF and want to learn as much as possible.
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Lance_Wright wrote 07/27/2007 02:11 PM Re: Opinions on this anti-raw site... [Re: Alex Corral ] #149924 - 07/27/2007 02:11 PM
Lance_Wright Webboard User Reg: 09-06-2006 Posts: 118 Loc: Offline	I agree that one must do their own research and do what is best from what they learn. I have done both. I know of dogs that eat only dry food, they have done just fine, I see dogs on raw, if done right they do fine. I find that in the wild dogs and other animals eat the soft stomach area first and then knaw on everything else, I think its almost impossible for humans to give an animal exactly what they would eat in the wild. Depending on the time of year an animal will eat very minimal. The choices of what to eat are what they can catch and kill, might be a rabbit, mouse, or just plain grass. I don't believe there is a big difference of benifits either way. This debate is almost religious, those that are'nt sure will argue as if to change would mean death, others will allow each their opinion knowing it does'nt affect them in the least. I'm anxious to see how this debate turns out. Lance
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Ron Gibson wrote 07/27/2007 02:29 PM Re: Opinions on this anti-raw site... [Re: Lance_Wright ] #149927 - 07/27/2007 02:29 PM
Ron Gibson Webboard User Reg: 12-27-2006 Posts: 58 Loc: Offline	Quote: Lance_Wright I agree that one must do their own research and do what is best from what they learn. I have done both. I know of dogs that eat only dry food, they have done just fine, I see dogs on raw, if done right they do fine. I find that in the wild dogs and other animals eat the soft stomach area first and then knaw on everything else, I think its almost impossible for humans to give an animal exactly what they would eat in the wild. Depending on the time of year an animal will eat very minimal. The choices of what to eat are what they can catch and kill, might be a rabbit, mouse, or just plain grass. I don't believe there is a big difference of benifits either way. This debate is almost religious, those that are'nt sure will argue as if to change would mean death, others will allow each their opinion knowing it does'nt affect them in the least. I'm anxious to see how this debate turns out. Lance Lance, I agree with everything you say. Would just like to add one point. With raw, BARF, RMB, etc you know more of what you are getting than with dry. I know there are things used in the cheap meat I use that I would rather not be there. Those are minimal compared to what you don't know or understand is in dry. That was our deciding factor, to know more of what is in the food we are feeding.
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Lance_Wright wrote 07/27/2007 02:39 PM Re: Opinions on this anti-raw site... [Re: Ron Gibson ] #149928 - 07/27/2007 02:39 PM
Lance_Wright Webboard User Reg: 09-06-2006 Posts: 118 Loc: Offline	Isn't it true that after the dog food scare the FDA said that alot of meat and fish from china was tainted???? My only point is unless you raise and slauter your own we really dont know.......
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 07/27/2007 02:48 PM Re: Opinions on this anti-raw site... [Re: Lance_Wright ] #149931 - 07/27/2007 02:48 PM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	Anytime i have read an anti-raw website they never have facts to back it up! They just want to sound like scientist,biologist,Zoologist,nutritionist,ect.. and they are nothing but kennel attendants...
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/27/2007 02:50 PM Re: Opinions on this anti-raw site... [Re: Alex Corral ] #149932 - 07/27/2007 02:50 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Alex Corral .... Another thing, I noticed repeatedly was the high fat content in raw meat, and it's link to dogs dying of pancreatis? What do you all think of that? I'm new to BARF and want to learn as much as possible. Acute pancreatitis is often triggered by a dumpster-diving episode. Thanksgiving, particularly, yields episodes of acute pancreatitis in dogs. Also, rancid fat and fried foods are frequent triggers. Raw far is very different from cooked fat, and cooked fat (especially rancid fat) is not what the dog's system processes so efficiently; it's hard for the canine system to digest. But there are also genetic factors to pancreatitis; this is clear when we see that certain breeds are much more likely to suffer from pancreatic challenges. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1580&articleid=335 http://www.gcvs.com/internists/pancreatitis.htm http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/petcolumns/showarticle.cfm?id=399 http://www.judithstock.com/Speaking_of_Animals/Pancreatitis_in_Dogs/pancreatitis_in_dogs.html Some prescription meds also appear to affect the pancreas. Chronic pancreatitis is often a secondary manifestation of another chronic ailment, like hyperadrenocorticism or hypothyroidism.
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