in trainin for the bite how would i know the dog is just bein trained for real protection or just for sport??when if it all boils down to the bite sleeves?how do you start training a dog for pp?when they say it starts with the tug and then the bite sleeves wherein on the other hand,its how it also start in sports?aint it just prey drive and not fight drive bein used that type of training?
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When you are training sports the dog is very dependent on the sleeve and the bite suit. They are always present during bitework training. (take that with a grain of salt. im not a sports trainer)
Training for real bite work is simmilar but you also do a lot of civil drive and muzzle work. I.E. Civil drive you will have your dog back tied and the decoy will come and agitate the dog with no sleeve on and get the dog worked up, showing him that the agitater wont always have the sleeve on. Muzzle work shows the dog he can still attack the decoy when the decoy doesn't have any equipment on. Training for real bite situations you would also work the dog in deffence drive also and do some scenario based problems.
I am sure someone else will be able to come and explain this better then I
When starting bite training the bitework is the same. It's changed according to the individual dog's tempermant and maturity as the work goes on. I'm not sure what you mean about it all boils down to the bite sleeves.
Yes in the beginning the dog is taught to bite in prey drive: however as the dog matures and is physically and psychologically ready to handle defensive training the trainer will begin to bring the dog into defense. The early work of defensive training can be accomplished in different ways but the wisest way in my opinion is to always go easy on this and try to get the dog to exhibit defensive behavior in a more natural way (like on a tie out on a lonely path in the evening) instead of being to aggressive with the dog and taking a chance and stepping backwards in your training before you've even really begun. This type of training should be done by someone who knows what they're doing or you can cause problems with the dog you may not be able to rectify.
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Like i said someone else would be able to say it better then I.
Also i forgot to say this though. If you have to ask that question and you are planning on doing any bite work training contact a local trainer in your area and get some help.
I strongly suggest that your dog be trained in basic & advanced obedience (on and off leash) before beginning any type of pp. I have watched more dog videos and seen K9 competitions where a handler cannot control their dog and call them out.
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I agree with Michael on finding a good trainer. It is very important that foundation bite work be done properly.
Lisa-very few trainers want advance ob on a dog before starting bite work. In fact some have very strong feelings even about the amount of house manners that should be on dog.
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Betty,
OK you lost me for a second. You said very few trainers want advance OB on a dog before starting bite work? Dont quite understand that.
I do understand about the house manners part. To be blunt im not a fan of mixing a dog that can be used for patrol work (personal protection) as a house dog. Sports dog maybe.
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I strongly suggest that your dog be trained in basic & advanced obedience (on and off leash) before beginning any type of pp. I have watched more dog videos and seen K9 competitions where a handler cannot control their dog and call them out.
lisa,
I hate to say this, but your inexperience is showing here. You do realize that bite obedience is the *hardest* type of obedience to train due to the dog being in such a high drive, don't you?
Many well trained dogs go into a version of "tunnel vision" during bite work and often require extensive ob training specifically for the bite routine( and often fairly strong compulsion ) to be able to overcome this.
You could increase your awareness of this if you'd try and find a new club or something to train in SchH, it'd greatly expand your knowledge base, particularly in the view that you want to train with PD's.
Heck, watch Police K9 handlers drag theri dogs off a perp on the TV show "COPS" - those dogs are absolutely in drive and their ob crumbles during the stress of real world bites. It's common on the street.
You'll learn this with time.
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Betty,
OK you lost me for a second. You said very few trainers want advance OB on a dog before starting bite work? Dont quite understand that.
I do understand about the house manners part. To be blunt im not a fan of mixing a dog that can be used for patrol work (personal protection) as a house dog. Sports dog maybe.
"Real obedience work should begin only after the dog is well on its way in the protection training."
His Flinks DVD's show how to get basic ob through drive while laying the foundation for a helper.
If not done properly too much OB may deflate the dog's drive. You want a dog that will bark when excited, is not inhibited about biting and will jump up and at a person. Things a dog with a lot of ob have normally been trained not to do.
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