Brenda Mitchell wrote 10/10/2007 05:34 AM vegetables? #157708 - 10/10/2007 05:34 AM
Brenda Mitchell Webboard User Reg: 07-03-2007 Posts: 125 Loc: Tallinn, Estonia Offline	do they NEED vegetables? my dog throws up every time I give her vegies - the only thing she keeps down are carrots. I've tried blending, grating, and lightly steaming. At some point in time it always comes back up. (at least that's the only thing consistent with her throwing up, is she's had vegies for dinner). last night it was a grated carrot, celery, and parsley mix. she'll gnaw on a carrot from time to time as a snack and that always stays down. but nothing else does. should I keep trying or just forget it?
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Sandy Moore wrote 10/10/2007 06:13 AM Re: vegetables? [Re: Brenda Mitchell ] #157710 - 10/10/2007 06:13 AM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	Brenda, here's a post that Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote a while ago about the veggie thing, and the whole thread may interest you as well: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=134&Number=140373&Searchpage=1&Main=14949&Words=whole+prey+Cindy+Easton+Rhodes&topic=0&Search=true#Post140373
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Brenda Mitchell wrote 10/10/2007 08:03 AM Re: vegetables? [Re: Sandy Moore ] #157715 - 10/10/2007 08:03 AM
Brenda Mitchell Webboard User Reg: 07-03-2007 Posts: 125 Loc: Tallinn, Estonia Offline	so basically some feed produce and some don't. is there a vitamin or something my dog would be lacking in without produce? she loves fruit, which I give sparingly, because of the sugar, and even though she happily eats the vegies I do give her, they always come back up - last night it was at 5 in the morning - so what's the use of giving them to her? I just don't want to be hurting her health by not giving her what her body needs. I ready a post from June where Connie said she gives some produce, but just a little, and someone else said that they don't at all. I read in another place that they need leafy green vegies esp. for vitamin B. If she's not keeping down the leafy greens, where else can she get vit. B? just some thoughts... thanks for your reply Sandy!
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Brenda Mitchell wrote 10/10/2007 08:28 AM Re: vegetables? [Re: Brenda Mitchell ] #157718 - 10/10/2007 08:28 AM
Brenda Mitchell Webboard User Reg: 07-03-2007 Posts: 125 Loc: Tallinn, Estonia Offline	Okay, now I'm reading a post from April 2007, and I'm finding, that if I don't feed her some greens and some fruit, she could be lacking in some nutrients that she needs. I'll just have to find a vegie that she can keep down.
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Konnie Hein wrote 10/10/2007 08:28 AM Re: vegetables? [Re: Brenda Mitchell ] #157719 - 10/10/2007 08:28 AM
Konnie Hein Webboard User Reg: 03-24-2006 Posts: 413 Loc: Connecticut Offline	Quote: brenda mitchell I read in another place that they need leafy green vegies esp. for vitamin B. If she's not keeping down the leafy greens, where else can she get vit. B? Brenda - I don't feed a regular "glop" of produce to my dogs like some other folks do. I rotate between kelp powder, green tripe (there's some partially digested vegetation in it) and maybe some home-grown parsley. I also occasionally add blueberries when they are on sale. As far as dietary sources of Vitamin B, they can get this through the meat they eat: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb6.asp Chicken breast is listed in the top 3 (not including fortified cereal) of providing Vitamin B6. http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb12.asp Beef liver is listed in the top 3 of providing Vitamin B12. http://health.learninginfo.org/vitamin-b1.htm Beef liver is noted as being a good source of Vitamin B1. Hope this helps! http://www.laforgemalinois.com
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/10/2007 10:09 AM Re: vegetables? [Re: Brenda Mitchell ] #157732 - 10/10/2007 10:09 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I think that what Konnie feeds is great. I also think that small amounts of low-sugar fruits are fine. I would stick with what does not make the dog throw up. I do give some produce, after watching gray wolf videos (of them eating berries and young ferns and the entire small-prey digestive tract.... they don't sort out small prey and leave parts behind ), but I wouldn't if it was causing vomiting. Especially if I could give green tripe.
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Carol Boche wrote 10/10/2007 11:13 AM Re: vegetables? [Re: Brenda Mitchell ] #157741 - 10/10/2007 11:13 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: brenda mitchell so basically some feed produce and some don't. Brenda, It is really a matter of preference to feed veggies or not. I do feed a "glop" although I add whole eggs, olive oil, a bit of molasses, mackerel, tuna or canned salmon, blueberries, banana, apple (without seeds) and yogurt to the mix. I also add other things as they are in season or if I have then on hand such as boiled sweet potatoe, squash, watermelon ect..... IMO, this makes it a bit more palatable for the dogs, and the ones that threw up just ground veggies, like it and keep it down. Just my two cents. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 10/10/2007 12:34 PM Re: vegetables? [Re: Carol Boche ] #157750 - 10/10/2007 12:34 PM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	Carol some of the ingredients you put in your glop sounds like a salad I make ...I mean it sounds good to us but I am not convinced it's what a dog would say he wants...Again it's as you say ,preferences. I like using green tripe, it's in my opinion what a dog would eat if he had the choice.BUT I respect people who feed the veggies with their RMBs', FAR better then Kibble!!
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Carol Boche wrote 10/10/2007 12:41 PM Re: vegetables? [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #157751 - 10/10/2007 12:41 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	If I could get green tripe a lot, I would use it. I use it when we butcher a cow but that is only twice a year really. My dogs seem to like the veggies. My Bloodhound loves celery and carrot pieces while I am making glop and they all get carrots to chew on once in awhile. And he will perform obedience like a professional for bluberries and banana......wierd dog..... If they did not show an interest (getting excited at meal time) I probably would not feed it at all. But I think with the addition of yogurt, fish and eggs, that is really why they like it. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/10/2007 12:46 PM Re: vegetables? [Re: Carol Boche ] #157752 - 10/10/2007 12:46 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I think that green tripe plus occasional berries and maybe a little young greens would be ideal. I just try to get as close to that as I can. And blueberries are low in sugar, easily digested, and loaded with antioxidants. Add to that the videos of gray wolves eating them, and I feel very good about using them as training treats. People in our club freeze them. :>
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