RobbinMann Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2006
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I had the opportunity to interview a person tonight that guaranteed off leash training within 3 lessons. You guessed it, using ecollars. I had to tell her I wasn't interested in training my dog with an ecollar especially without any prior instruction. I just cant even imagine training a dog this way and to guarantee it in 3 lessons? Wow, I can't imagine what most dogs have to go through to get this kind of training. To top it all off, the first thing she said when she saw Levi was "wow! you sure are skinny!" This is right after some friends of ours came over for dinner and the friend says, "let me take you home so I can feed you and fatten you up a little" grrr. Kind of an irritating evening. Sure! Let's fatten the dog up so he can have hip and elbow issues and then lets shock the snot out of him just for kicks and giggles. Blah!!!
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. . . some friends of ours came over for dinner and the friend says, "let me take you home so I can feed you and fatten you up a little" grrr. Kind of an irritating evening. . .
Michael West Webboard User Reg: 05-23-2007
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Not that i think there is anything wrong with the e-collar but guaranteeing anything after three lessons is foolish unless the trainer has seen the dog first.
But yeah, this trainer doesn't exactly seem like someone i would trust.
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005
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Someone came over to my house a few weeks ago and got talking to me about how fat their dogs were and how they have tried all the special diets n how the vet said its because the dogs were just neutered bla bla bla.
I showed her how much I fed my dogs and she almost fainted from shock. Turns out she fills a single big bowl all the way to the top, overflowing, and lets 4 dogs eat from the same bowl free-feeding.
Some people........
As for the e-collar thing, I'm sure there's alot of trainers out there like this. Any tool that can be used can be abused.
RobbinMann Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2006
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I did ask her if they did any training at all w/o the ecollar and they said no. Don't get me wrong, I have an ecollar, I bought it for the day that Levi might someday not listen very well. However, that day has not come. Would I use it someday? Sure but not to teach the dog basic commands that can be taught w/o my dog having to fear me as a shock machine. E collars have their use to be sure. The thing is she told me they would not "pass" me on to their protection trainer w/o initial obedience and offleash training. Now that she's seen how well behaved my dog is, she is willing to pass me on to the guy. Do I want a guy protection training my dog that works with a company that only uses shock training for basic obedience??!! I don't think so.
Please remember that e-collars have improved greatly through research and development since their inception over 30 years ago.
In the beginning, there was something like two positions and both were too high and provided too much voltage and sadly probably ruined many dogs. These were truly "Shock" collars.
To refer to today's products as Schock collars does them a disservice and spreads a false perception.
I Have "leash" trained my GSD for his CD and now for his CDX.
I mainly use the e-collar for back up and "off leash insurance". For example, if he is 100 yards away and starts eating something or if there are small children in sight, I give the command followed by a stim with the lowest effective number. It works every time.
I would never use the e-collar without first training him the exercise.
It's a useful tool and should be used knowledgeably so that the dog does not regard his trainer as a "Shock Machine"
RobbinMann Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2006
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I agree that ecollars have their place in training, Jack. Like you said, not for initial training. That's all I'm saying. However, she told me that they usually work on dogs that have had owners that have allowed the dogs to get completely out of control. This means to me that they have had little or no training whatsoever. Then they take these same dogs put an ecollar on them and start "stimulating" them out of rebellion. I think that most dogs would find these highly confusing and scarry. I fully intend on using an ecollar for off leash, just in case but that is a long way down the road for me. I certainly don't want to give ecollars a bad rap but to use them on a dog w/o giving the dog the opportunity to learn what is expected first is unfair.
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This is right after some friends of ours came over for dinner and the friend says, "let me take you home so I can feed you and fatten you up a little" grrr. Kind of an irritating evening. Sure! Let's fatten the dog up so he can have hip and elbow issues and then lets shock the snot out of him just for kicks and giggles. Blah!!!
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