Hello everyone, I am a rookie so i got question my 6mo GSD is always on a 20ft cotton line when outside. Sometimes he goes out of the yard maybe 20 or 30 feet and i give him the come command which he knows well. So when get to the end of the line and as soon as pick it up to give a correction he instantly turns and comes before i can give the correction. What am I doing wrong because during training he obeys cammands great.

Are you saying that sometimes he complies with the recall and sometimes he does not until you pick up the line?

yes which keeps me from giving a correction. Its like hes test me

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yes which keeps me from giving a correction. Its like hes test me

The recall...... the goal for me is for the dog to LOVE hearing the recall, because he long ago learned that coming when called means wonderful stuff.

If you have ever called and then corrected, or called and then chased him, you might want to change the word you use and start over. JMO.

http://www.leerburg.com/302.htm

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http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=134&Number=140351&Searchpage=2&Main=14950&Words=recall&topic=0&Search=true#Post140351

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Now that you have a small problem with it, I'd use the long line for the teaching part. (Otherwise, I sometimes start with just an enclosed yard.)

Call him. Mark, praise, reward.

If he does not come, reel him in..... no correction and no praise. Just the information (by reeling him in) that there is no option to the recall.

But the biggy is that he loves the recall. Don't call him for leaving a fun place (yet) or for medicine, or to end a game. Call him for meals, for petting, for playing, for a car ride, a walk ......

NEVER call the puppy to be corrected, and NEVER chase him around and show him that the recall can be a game of keep-away. :>

NEVER call when you cannot enforce it and you are not sure he will come. Every time he does not come, you have shown him that the recall is optional.

I don't proof with distractions for some time..... not until it's 100% without distractions. And I start the distractions very slowly..... maybe a human a few feet away, and later a dog being walked by, and then later someone nearby with his favorite ball..... a really gradual upping with the distractions.

I like a solid, reliable recall. I've never failed with it (yet, anyway) using motivation.

I have had to start over, especially when a handler has called and then corrected. But even then, it worked when it became the funnest thing around.


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Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/18/2007 07:33 PM)
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ooh. looks like I messed up. I have him off line in my yard and sometimes when I call him he doesnt come. I ended up going over to get him and holding him by his collar.

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ooh. looks like I messed up. I have him off line in my yard and sometimes when I call him he doesnt come. I ended up going over to get him and holding him by his collar.

You don't want to call him when you can't enforce it. Not for now, anyway, when he's not complying. Again, this teaches him over and over that it's "when I feel like it."

Do you have a 20-foot line?
http://www.leerburg.com/729.htm

I use mine a lot. (BTW, mine came black. I guess they are not all blue. :grin

I use it for a quick tether in the yard, and I use it all the time to re-train a badly-trained recall.

Then you can just reel 'em in and start over.

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I ended up going over to get him and holding him by his collar.

As long as you don't let him refuse the recall. And NEVER play "keep-away" !

That starts a game you don't want to play.

The recall is too crucial for there to be any chance of the dog running away every time you get close.

Im picking up a 20ft lead tomorrow. since I've been on this site I been learning more and more of what I should be getting.

so if I call him (while on the long lead) and he doesnt listen, do I just reel him in and not say anything?

if he's off lead, should I even be calling him to come at all? I should go watch the puppy video again...

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so if I call him (while on the long lead) and he doesnt listen, do I just reel him in ...

Yes.


And NO, you should not call if there's doubt about him coming, unless you can enforce it. Again, you don't want to start a keep-away or "if I feel like coming" habit.


This is just a few weeks (or less), IME, even if you started badly, as long as you now use a command that he doesn't associate with corrections or anything bad, and as long as you make sure you reinforce the recall with marking, praising, rewarding.

It shortens the time significantly if you work it into your dailt routine: Call the dog every time something good is going to happen. Teach him over and over how excellent it is to obey the recall.

Time enough later for distraction-proofing (which is crucial) and then corrections (which you may never need). What you want now is 100% recall.

JMO..... this is what works well for me.

thanks !!!