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#164593 - 11/24/2007 06:04 PM |
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ok, shorter and simpler. We're trying to get more info on the establishing pack structure system. We have the DVD but still have questions.
Do we let the dogs out of the crates after they've been quiet in there for a few days? With the 8 mos Komondor who hates the crate I figure a few nights quiet in the basement and then one or two quiet back on the first floor? Can our 3 year old Australian Terrier start being attached to us now since she's been quiet in her crate for years and has spent the last 5 days in it 24/7?
So after that on the leash attached to me (one at a time) for an hour then back in for an hour while I have the other attached to me?
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#164595 - 11/24/2007 06:18 PM |
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Huh??? 24/7 with a dog that is already quiet in her crate??? Is she naughty when she is out? At three years old, she should be able to have some free time out....
What else are you doing as far as pack structure???
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#164596 - 11/24/2007 06:25 PM |
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She isn't really housetrained (she'll bolt and poop in dd's room). We did several puppy classes with her at the humane society and she's got a beautiful temperment but she is a barker/jumper/gets distracted by every person, squirrel and leaf and takes 30 minutes to pee outside.
We got the pack structure dvd this past week and are starting from square one with both dogs, although we have cheated with the terrier, last night we let her sleep in our bed again (she usually sleeps with us with a leash attached to someone's ankle). Obviously we've been taking them out of the crate to pee and go for walks (separately).
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#164597 - 11/24/2007 06:36 PM |
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Ahhhhh....I see. 
What about taking her outside on a lead to "do her business"? and then letting her loose to explore. Make sure to implement a "potty" command.....
The terrier.....busted  ....what about a crate in your room?
What size crate if the Komondor in? Could it be that it is too small? (they are fairly large aren't they?) or could it be too big, where he has too much space to move around and fidget????
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#164598 - 11/24/2007 06:48 PM |
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Thanks for responding!
The terrier's crate is in our room.
The Komondor slept attached to a leash in our room until we started the program. He always hated his crate and our obedience teacher told us he could just sleep in the butler's pantry (4x6) and that worked really well until he realized he could jump a gate. He's in the largest size crate, he can stand, turn around etc, I don't think it is too big or too small. The crate was in the butler's pantry but after several night of constant crying/barking we moved him to the basement. I think by giving in to him and letting him sleep in the pantry and then on a leash in our room we've created a barking crate monster. He's really stubborn but hopefully we can out-stubborn him.
We can't let the terrier loose to explore as nothing we have done has made our back yard escape proof for her. And if we took her to the woods or anywhere else we'd never see her again.
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#164599 - 11/24/2007 06:57 PM |
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Ooops, for some reason I thought you had three.....saw Australian and assumed it was an ACD, then the Komondor and then a terrier.....sorry bout that.
I think you are on the right track. Have you tried a kong filled with a frozen goodie for the Komondor? Or, someone else suggested shoving a piece of chicken or beef jerky in one as well....this would give him something to do while in there.
I use a bark collar on my Mal when we travel and when she is outside in her kennel....she likes to spin and bark when we are at training so this works well. It helps her to settle.
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#164614 - 11/24/2007 08:58 PM |
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Hi, Erin-
I know this isn't addressing your OP, but I was just wondering how much exercise is your terrier getting? I know you can't let her loose b/c of the escaping issue, but what about using a long line to just have her exercise her little fanny off? Maybe she is barking/jumping/dragging out the potty break b/c she just needs to run off more energy. Just a thought. Maybe she's getting plenty already, but I thought I'd put that out there. My 4-1/2 mo GSD gets crazy if he's been in his crate quite a bit, but I notice a big improvement if I take him out on the long line (we live in the country but our yard's not fenced), and throw his ball/flying squirrel, etc, and just exercise him til he poops out and lays down. He's much more manageable in the house after that. 
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#164616 - 11/24/2007 09:15 PM |
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We can't let the terrier loose to explore as nothing we have done has made our back yard escape proof for her. And if we took her to the woods or anywhere else we'd never see her again.
This is part of pack structure as well. You have to be the funnest thing in the world for her to want to recall to you. As Kori suggested, a long line AND her most favorite treat in the world will help this process immensely.
Also, have you thought about an e-collar?
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#164635 - 11/25/2007 01:23 AM |
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I agree. I had the hardest time gettin my rottie to come on command. that was before I implemented the 20 ft lead. I never let him romp around without being leashed. through my eyes, THIS is the most important element in pack structure. he has since learned that I hold the other end of the leash therefore I control every aspect of his life. he is much more responsive and willing to please his owner afer no more than 2 weeks of constant leashing. I give him a litle leeway every so often, but once he slips up, right back to the leash. thats how I gage his progress. he's only 18 weeks and I know I may be asking a lot from him, but he's been living up to every bit of it.
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#164638 - 11/25/2007 05:11 AM |
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We can't let the terrier loose to explore as nothing we have done has made our back yard escape proof for her. And if we took her to the woods or anywhere else we'd never see her again.
This is part of pack structure as well. You have to be the funnest thing in the world for her to want to recall to you. As Kori suggested, a long line AND her most favorite treat in the world will help this process immensely.
We used to do long leashes at the park a lot, We need to start doing that again. The terrier's breeder had told us that they can never go unleashed as their prey drive is much stronger than anything else. She certainly has it.
We'll research the e stim.
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