I believe that I posed the same question about six months ago with FAR less knowledge of canine behavior or training ability (tactics) but I will ask again a bit more informed...

I still know very little (as compared to those on the board with experience) about PPD training. I see so many dogs that have nerves of steel on the training videos and with helpers and what not, but I have never seen one in person!!

All of this "Cezar" dog psychology and "no-look-no-touch-no-" whatever that seems to work on many dogs (including mine and my friends dogs)...

I again pose the question; how does one train a PPD to "combat" a person that knows or practices such techniques that seems to work on "all" dogs??

I am so indulged in all that is dog OB and training, and behavior, yet I know so little....


How do PPD, K9, or any "real world" working dog lay waste to the person that acts as "cezar" does???

does the training that PPD or other types of training; secure from the type of "man-handling" or does the drive of these dogs make it unlikely for it to happen....

I say happen as a "cezar" want-to-be coming in to a trained (or seasoned) dog and being "poitive attitude blah blah.." and losing all that is learned by "psycho dominating" a PPD dog.

I just would like to know. I dont want a CEZAR lesson, but a short on how a PPD dog is conditioned not to take lead from strangers, NO MATTER WHOM THEY ARE???

BASICALLY, how is a PPD dog triained NOT to listen or "react" to a person that is not of the family/owner/handler that is domineering (dog style) as to be negative to the ones he is to protect???

Long winded, I know, but I can find nothing on the PPD taining online and SANTA didn't bring the videos I requested for xmas. (my family seems to think that a well mannered dog or one that is taught with videos such as "drive and focus" are mean aggressive jerk dogs)??? My fight... I know?

Thanks for the info??

adam

You're talking about the efficacy of this technique against aggressive dogs, but you have to realize that the dogs you see on the show are exhibiting displaced aggression. These dogs are aggressive because they are scared, because they are resource guarding, because of the behavior being reinforced...Cesar physically restrains "red zone" dogs, blocks them with chairs or tables until they're acclimated to him, etc. If he feels that a dog is genuinely going to take a piece out of him, you'll see that he uses the same energy, and protects himself.

A PPD or Police Dog trained to bite on command should not be phased by the fact that the person they are charging is standing still and not attempting to engage. Ask Betty Waldron what happened when she misinterpreted an instruction and gave her civil dog the command to eat the helper (who had taken off his padding). I'll sum it up; the dog did not hesitate because the helper was calm, and not expecting at that instant to be eaten by a german shepherd.

Remember, a good PPD prospect will be pretty dominant. Someone trying to outdo one of these dogs with "good vibrations" will be hard pressed to live. If it's a daily struggle for you to keep the dog from eating you, I...yeah. Does that make sense? The question is invalidated because you're almost talking about different species. Cesar works with the far end of the spectrum pet dogs, you're talking about the complete other end of the spectrum, hard, sharp, working dog. Suffice to say, it's not something you need to worry about, if you have a dog capable of doing the work. If you have the right dog, and your training is correct, your dog will engage, no matter what the subject does, or doesn't do.

I agree with David. From what I know of PPD training (still learning), a command to bite is like any other command. It's to be obeyed. So it's training that is the deciding factor as to whether the dog will engage, not the person who the dog is commanded to bite.

It takes Cesar a while to subdue a dog that is aggressive to people. It doesn't happen in a split second or even a minute. That split second is all a trained PPD dog needs to initiate an attack on command.

"A PPD or Police Dog trained to bite on command should not be phased by the fact that the person they are charging is standing still and not attempting to engage. Ask Betty Waldron what happened when she misinterpreted an instruction and gave her civil dog the command to eat the helper (who had taken off his padding). I'll sum it up; the dog did not hesitate because the helper was calm, and not expecting at that instant to be eaten by a german shepherd."




Yes.....that was an exciting day on our field!

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Ask Betty Waldron what happened when she misinterpreted an instruction and gave her civil dog the command to eat the helper (who had taken off his padding).

Yes.....that was an exciting day on our field!

OH Betttyyyy.....you have some splainin to do......

Maybe I should talk to Ed about a video series on what NOT to do on the field.. I have plenty of material!

Yep, I can personally attest to the fact that a civil dog does not care if the object of her affection is standing still, running, or even standing on his head, if you accidently send your dog, she's going........

For anyone there that is real new, accidently sending your dog is all bad.

Adam, if I understand your question correctly, you are asking how to train a PPD not to be intimidated by someone like Ceasar who would have intimadating body language to a dog?

If I'm correct it's a combination of having the right dog and the right training. Princess Weasel will take a lot more pressure (aggressive body language/actions/or verbalizations) today in training from the decoy or agitator then she would of a year ago.

In a real life situation I am about as confident as you can be on something that has not been tested that she and my male would protect me.

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 Quote: Will Rambeau

Ask Betty Waldron what happened when she misinterpreted an instruction and gave her civil dog the command to eat the helper (who had taken off his padding).

Yes.....that was an exciting day on our field!

OH Betttyyyy.....you have some splainin to do......

All these years that I have tormented Will on and off the field with training me (the hard part) and my dogs (the easy part) that is the only day that he lost all powers of speech for about an hour......Which was probably a very good thing for me...

Adam, if I understand your question correctly, you are asking how to train a PPD not to be intimidated by someone like Ceasar who would have intimadating body language to a dog?

Exactly what I was asking?? I should have realized that it is all control and conditioning?

So it would be the same way with dogs that are estate guardian dogs? These dogs are left outside and in "guard-mode" alone right? These dogs are trained in a similar manner with increasing pressure as not to be disuaded by persons with aggressive body language?

Thanks a bunch guys

Adam

But odds are, a dog left alone outside with no handler will still succumb to the temptation of a very juicy piece of meat.

I mean, come on. We all have our limits.

I see some of these sites on the web that advertise their dogs refuse food ("trained to refuse food").


Is that accomplished through lots of compulsion (spelling) training???

Adam