Ray Ho wrote 01/12/2008 07:03 AM
 Got off on the wrong foot?
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My family purchsed a Beagle puppy (Rusti) which is 3 months old now. Unfortunately (or rather due to our own lack of planning) we did not have any idea how to start raising the puppy at the time and let it run free in the garden and be petted by all the family members.
After reading Ed Frawley's "Philosophy on Dog Training" I found out we were supposed to put it in a crate and use the "social isolation" phase. Now that we have missed the timing, is it still possible to compensate for that sort of training? Will there be any long-term/serious consequences?
Presently I think Rusti still enjoys being petted and feels part of the family, though I cannot be sure whether he thinks petting is a reward and who he regards as the "pack leader".
Could anyone provide some suggestions?
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#174643 - 01/12/2008 07:16 AM |
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It's never too late to develop a good pack structure with your dog, and its never too late to start crate training. Many people rescue adult dogs who have spent 5+ years not being raised correctly, but the nice thing about dogs is that they are quick to adapt and willing to live by "pack rules". Afterall, dogs are instinctual animals, and following the rules of the pack is an instinctual behavior.
That said, I dont see a problem with people having petted your pup, he is a pet, and you didn't mention any serious problems that you are having with him, so don't stress too much about it. Nobody gets it right 100% with their first dog anyway.
Are there any particular issues you would like to address? Is he on his way to being house broken? Are you crate training him now? What are your goals?
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Ray Ho wrote 01/13/2008 05:24 AM
Re: Got off on the wrong foot?
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Thanks for your help Mike. You've sure put my mind to rest!
Some of the probelms we would like to see the end of includes:
1. He barks whenever we go into the patch of garden where he wees and poos;
2. He whines and barks for a prolonged period of time when he is in the crate at night, until someone comes to see what's wrong - then he quietens down and wags his tail;
3. He is very energetic - albiet a little too energetic for my family to cope with. I wonder if this is because he is young, or because he has hunting blood in him?
I am aiming to have him trained not to act aggressively towards people and to get used to being alone for some time without damaging himself or the garden, since all members of our family have busy schedules. If you have any advice for this I will be very grateful.
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#174888 - 01/13/2008 06:56 AM |
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What kind of exercise routine do you have with him? At 3 months they can't handle too much, but a good walk should help with the energy level and also help keep him from being bored and causing damage.
There are also great toys (such as kongs that can be stuffed with peanut butter or cream cheese) that can be left with him to keep him occupied when he is alone.
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#174890 - 01/13/2008 07:47 AM |
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Heading out now, but with the barking in the crate, ignore him when he's barking, then when he is quiet you can go to him and reward. Going to him when he is barking will reward the barking.
He is 3 months old, so energy levels will be high. He will calm down in 2 or 3 years, but as Elisabeth said, exercise will help alot. Bare in mind, a pup this age shouldn't follow any real structured routine, and avoid walking on hard surfaces. Running around the back yard, chasing bugs, and MENTAL stimulation go a long way. Start teaching motivational obedience with bits of hotdog, sit/down etc. Only 1 or 2 minutes at a time, several times a day. Nothing tires a puppy like making them think.
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#174893 - 01/13/2008 08:14 AM |
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Ray, I don't believe Ed Frawley has ever mentioned "social isolation" for puppies. At least not in the meaning of that phrase. Crate time, yes, but to intentionally with forethought socially isolate a puppy is not something I would ever do. They'll have enough crate time sleeping and napping and for a little "restricted" time, but not intentionally trying to keep a puppy from its people. That wouldn't be healthy for a pup's development. Crate time is good but not for the express reason of "isolation", but for rest and maybe to give you a little break.
It sounds like your puppy is happy with your family and all the goings-on. 
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#174898 - 01/13/2008 09:02 AM |
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Sandy, he talks about social isolation in this article: Groundwork However, I did a search in the Puppy Groundwork and I couldn't find it. So, I am not sure that this is something that Ed reccomends for a new puppy.
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#174899 - 01/13/2008 09:11 AM |
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That's what I remember too, Rick. I figured that was the article that Ray had read. Adult dog groundwork for adult dogs needing a "refresher course" for helping drive home who's the boss, or perhaps for rescued adult somewhat aggressive dogs just being brought into the home. But not for puppies.
On that note, Ray, go to the link that Rick just posted for Puppy Groundwork. Good call Rick, I should have thought to post that.
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Ray Ho wrote 01/14/2008 02:47 AM
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Thanks everyone. I've actually read most of Ed Frawley's articles, including the one on Puppy Groundwork.
Rusti does exercise everyday (a short walk and playing in an empty park nearby) and basic training such as sit, stay, jump and "out" i.e. stop biting, on which he is performing well.
However, when we get home and I manage to get him into the crate for a bit of rest, he starts barking for a while.
If I'm not supposed to keep him in the crate, then how do I keep him from digging etc, when I'm not there to control him?
From the start my family preferred to keep the puppy inside the house, however we are worried that he might scratch or bite our leather furniture - or worse, defaeciate on the carpet (my father will probably slaughter the puppy for that). I know it is possible to train him to become a calm and well-behaved companion, do you have any suggestions?
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#175144 - 01/14/2008 03:05 AM |
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Always crate the pup when you cannot supervise.
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