I have a 1 1/2 year old female on her second heat and I am trying to breed her. Maybe I should have waited longer... She is completely cooperative, flagging, doing awesome. The problem is that we can't seem to get them tie. The male is an experienced stud dog around 4 years old. Upon first meeting he will mount her and have penetration. The first time, he was completely inside of her and she pulled away preventing the tie, it seemed that he was done and just waiting during the tie. When he came out he was fully erect and the swollen bulge at the base was still fully swollen. We figured that it was her first time, no probelm we'll try again. The stud figured his job was done and refused to mount her again that day.

Today we tried again and the same problem, this time we held the female so she could not pull away but they still couldn't tie, once again the male would not mount her again. The owner of the stud says he has never had this problem before and I don't think he's lying. He has pups from this stud right now.

We tried another stud, a virgin with no experience from the same owner. He is 1.5 years. He mounted her and once had penetration we held them and kept him on top of her for about 10-15 minutes for fear of losing the tie. We couldn't see exactly what was going on but he was inside her. After 10-15 minutes he came out and still had the bulb bulge at the base of his penis.....weird.

The bitch is a little shorter than the males, but I don't think this would be the problem. Maybe she's too young? This is my first breeding and the owner of the stud is puzzled.

Could she be pregnant from this? Is this normal? I am going back tomorrow morning and need a succcesful tie! Today is her 13 day of cycle. I have bred her yesterday and today. I need advice tonight!

Desperatley,

Vanessa

i don't have any advice re: tieing, but isn't it better to wait until the hips can be certified (2 years) re: the bitch and the stud? or is that not an issue w/the breed of dog you have?

does the second stud have titles/good characteristics as well?

i don't mean to be rude, i'm just wondering - i'm looking at buying a dog in a year and a half-two years and i didn't think breedings were so arbitrary, but maybe i'm just not knowing the whole situation.

Sorry, They are englinsh bull terriers from champion lines, gorgeous, incredible temperments. Hips are not really an issue. The white male is BAER tested for hearing as that can be an issue for the whites. Luckily bull terriers are an extremly healthy breed. The main concern with bull terriers is obsessive compulsive disorder, and it's my opinion that most of the dogs with this problem are extremely under excersized. I don't beleive that a health reason is a problem with tie. My dog was just given the okay by her vet, healthy as a horse.

I looked up some of Ed's articles and there he said that if there is a problem with the tie to artificially inseminate. Some females dont like the tie and will resist it.

that makes sense!
(thanks, i've never bought an animal before, so i'm trying to do as much research and figure out the process)

This is what I found online. Anyone agree?

"Many litters are born from slip matings and some stud dogs never, ever, achieve a tie yet consistently sire litters.

There are many reasons why a tie does not occur. Sometimes it is sheer inexperience on the part of the male dog, the bitch, or even the owners/handlers who are present to oversee or help with the proceedings! Occasionally a bitch may be found to have a stricture – a narrowing within the vagina which prevents deep penetration by a male. Most commonly a failure to tie is because the bulb at the base of the dogs penis swells outside of the bitch so preventing deep penetration"

I've had 3 different dogs do this, two were experienced studs, one was virgin. I can't say if the issue is with the females or the males. The latest one was a pair of Chi's who tried several times a day for two days. They finally got it on the third day, but continued for several days to slip mate several times a day as well as getting some ties on those same days.
Other than holding the two together or AI I can't tell you what will help if they can't do it on their own.
I've never heard of slip mating producing puppies, but it may happen.

This last time we held them together for 10-15 minutes, which I guess is an artificial tie..???? One stud wouldn't try anymore after the first slip mate. This surprised his owner. The new stud (same owner) is a virgin and we thought we'd just try it. His drive seemed stronger and he was more willing to keep trying after he slip mated. Which I guess wasn't a big surprise since it was his first time.

Tomorrow we're trying again with the new dog. Sperm is ejaculated during the thrusting as well right? Does the tie just ensure that it gets deep enough?

Sperm is ejaculated first, then there is a "clear" fluid ejaculated, maybe to flush the sperm in? I'm not sure how soon the sperm is ejaculated, it may be before/as they tie.

Are you planning to DNA the pups to make sure that the origional stud didn't sire any pups?

I haven't thought it through that far....as far as I'm concerned, the first stud didn't stay in long enough to call it a breed. The second stud (which is his son) was the one we held on the female for 15 minutes, so I would call him the stud.

Regardless of how long the first male was in the female, he could have sired pups. I know someone who had an accidental litter of 13 pups from the same amount of contact as the first male had. You could easily have an entire litter of pups sired by him, or some sired by him and some by his son. Or they might all have been sired by the son. You will need to do DNA testing on all the pups born to determine who the sire really is for registration purposes. You can swab the pups the day they are born, so you will have the results back long before they are ready to go to their new homes.