Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 02/14/2008 10:42 AM anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? #180706 - 02/14/2008 10:42 AM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	I was having a conversation with come co-workers about pet food, and one of my coworkers mentioned that her boston terrier had once almost died because of what the vet called "protein poisoning". She wasn't teasing-- apparently the vet legitimately told her and her family that the cause of the dog's trip to the vet was from consuming too much protein. The situation was that a family member had been feeding the dogs very large quantities of beef jerky (or like). By the sounds of it this may have been an amount equal to the dog's body weight! I mentioned that (in my uneducated opinion, I'm no vet) I thought it was probably the quantity of food, and the fact that it was dried and probably expanded in the dogs stomach rather than the % of protein that caused the problem. She asked me if I thought the vet wasn't telling the truth-- and I didn't know what to say. I mean, I'm not a vet, but... a dog getting protein poisoning?? Anyone heard of anything like this?? I didn't want to argue with her, but now I'm curious, lol.
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Carol Boche wrote 02/14/2008 10:45 AM Re: anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #180707 - 02/14/2008 10:45 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Not to mention all the CRAP they use to cure and make jerky.....UGH!!! Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/14/2008 10:55 AM Re: anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #180709 - 02/14/2008 10:55 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Carolyn Pike She asked me if I thought the vet wasn't telling the truth-- and I didn't know what to say. I mean, I'm not a vet, but... a dog getting protein poisoning?? Anyone heard of anything like this?? I didn't want to argue with her, but now I'm curious, lol. Thinking something that's incorrect and saying it isn't lying. If you had symptoms and so on, it would be easier to answer. I would guess that acute pancreatitis was a likely culprit. It's hard to imagine proteinosis in an otherwise-healthy dog, unless the dog had eaten a grain-based diet forever and then ate his weight in jerky. Still, then, barring chronic internal-organ disease, I'd guess that proteinosis would be trumped by pancreatitis. But there's really no way even to guess with no symptoms or length-of-illness info.
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Jennifer Mullen wrote 02/14/2008 10:55 AM Re: anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? [Re: Carol Boche ] #180711 - 02/14/2008 10:55 AM
Jennifer Mullen Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2007 Posts: 2365 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Offline	if you google it, stuff does come up. i'm not sure how reliable any of those sources are though. can you have an unbalanced diet? sure. can the unbalance cause issues? sure. is that protein poisoning....ummmm....dunno. also, perhaps it's just my experience w/raw feeding, but i think that is a high-protein diet and i don't see any issues w/my dogs. my guess is that the dog was eating so much jerky it wasn't getting a balanced diet, and was unhealthy as a result of that. Teagan!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/14/2008 10:58 AM Re: anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? [Re: Jennifer Mullen ] #180714 - 02/14/2008 10:58 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: jennifer mullen if you google it, stuff does come up. Oh, yeah, it exists.. I've never seen good info on a healthy dog being vulnerable to it, though. Even the old stories about dogs with kidney problems said to be exacerbated by "too much" protein have been debunked, and the quality of the protein turned out to be the important point.
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Jennifer Mullen wrote 02/14/2008 11:04 AM Re: anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #180716 - 02/14/2008 11:04 AM
Jennifer Mullen Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2007 Posts: 2365 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Offline	that's very true. i remember reading that about protein sources, i have a cat w/CRF, and thinking 'forget this low-protein crap then! he's a carnivore!' i often think the the example of kidney failure and the erroneous need for low-protein is an example of how little veterinary medicine knows about diet. it's one reason why i'm more comfortable feeding a natural diet, and i agree that in a healthy dog a diet high in protein shouldn't cause problems. i 'duh'ed when you mentioned pancreatitis. Teagan!
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Janice Jarman wrote 02/14/2008 11:05 AM Re: anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #180717 - 02/14/2008 11:05 AM
Janice Jarman Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2005 Posts: 505 Loc: Mid Missouri USA Offline	I have never heard of a dog getting "protein poisoning", but I have heard that a dog with kidney disease should usually be on a low-protein diet due to excess urea and the extra load on the kidneys. That's the only thing I've ever heard of linked to problems with excess protein for dogs. Was it beef jerky made for humans, or dog treat jerky? It might have been the preservatives that made him sick, I guess. Smoked ham and such can make a dog sick, too. And store bought dog treat jerky is horrible stuff, I wouldn't feed that cr*p to anything. Edited by Janice Jarman (02/14/2008 11:07 AM) Edit reason: changed a statement Janice Jarman
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Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 02/14/2008 11:13 AM Re: anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #180720 - 02/14/2008 11:13 AM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	I started to tell them about the book I'd read (Food pets die for) and about where "meat" and "meal" sometimes comes from, etc. The same woman asked what about the 'good' pet food, and I told them that science diet was supposed to be one of the poor ones, even though vets sell it, and that you really have to do some research about what's in the food. So she asked, well how can all of the vets be endorsing a bad product, and I repeated some of the info I'd read in the book about exposure during vet school, lack of knowledge, etc. She was as skeptical of my info as I was of her protein poisoning story...
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/14/2008 11:22 AM Re: anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? [Re: Janice Jarman ] #180724 - 02/14/2008 11:22 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Janice Jarman I have heard that a dog with kidney disease should usually be on a low-protein diet due to excess urea and the extra load on the kidneys. That's the only thing I've ever heard of linked to problems with excess protein for dogs. And you've read the debunking of that, right? http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=33&Number=134996&Searchpage=1&Main=14439&Words=debunking+Connie+Sutherland&topic=0&Search=true#Post134996
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Janice Jarman wrote 02/14/2008 11:26 AM Re: anyone ever heard of protein poisoning? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #180725 - 02/14/2008 11:26 AM
Janice Jarman Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2005 Posts: 505 Loc: Mid Missouri USA Offline	No, Connie, I actually hadn't, but thank you so very much for the info. I'm happy to hear another myth bite the dust. I don't know, sounds like the dog probably was just overdosed with additives/sodium/nitrates, and so forth. That would be with the jerky made for human consumption. I don't even want to think how sick the poor pup would get with the nasty dogtreat variety. PS-I never thought a high protein diet could actually cause kidney disease, I just thought it was normally done to reduce protein intake if an animal got kidney disease, or went into kidney failure for some other reason. Thanks again for the info! Edited by Janice Jarman (02/14/2008 11:30 AM) Edit reason: add ps Janice Jarman
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