Mary Velazquez wrote 06/02/2008 10:51 AM schutzhund people..training a puppy? #197163 - 06/02/2008 10:51 AM
Mary Velazquez Webboard User Reg: 12-24-2007 Posts: 575 Loc: Texas Offline	What are the fundamental differences in raising a working (for sport) dog and raising a family pet from puppyhood. what are the things that are done differently? Edited by Mary Velazquez (06/02/2008 11:04 AM) Edit reason: haha, I spelled schutzhund wrong, I just knew I would
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Rich Pallechio wrote 06/02/2008 10:56 AM Re: schutzund people..training a puppy? [Re: Mary Velazquez ] #197164 - 06/02/2008 10:56 AM
Rich Pallechio Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2006 Posts: 687 Loc: Washington Offline	There is a video about that: http://leerburg.com/117.htm http://home.comcast.net/~rrpallechio/Hans/hans_signature.jpg
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Carol Boche wrote 06/02/2008 10:57 AM Re: schutzund people..training a puppy? [Re: Mary Velazquez ] #197165 - 06/02/2008 10:57 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	DVD's Basic Obedience 8 wks to 8 months How to Raise a Working Puppy ARTICLES and E-BOOKS: Groundwork to becoming Puppy's Pack Leader Theory of Motivation If you go to the E-Books, Podcasts and articles page, there is TONS of stuff there as well. All the discs and articles and such would be too many to list here, but I did add a few to get you started. I think the big thing is starting with the proper dog/puppy for the venue you want to pursue. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Mary Velazquez wrote 06/02/2008 10:58 AM Re: schutzund people..training a puppy? [Re: Rich Pallechio ] #197166 - 06/02/2008 10:58 AM
Mary Velazquez Webboard User Reg: 12-24-2007 Posts: 575 Loc: Texas Offline	well, Im all for buying it but Im still just a broke college student. Im interested in knowing, though. c'mon, wont anyone tell me? Ah, posted same time as you, Carol. ok, Ill reread those. I dont think I'll be able to start sport training soon (no clubs in the area) but Ive never raised a dog for a protection sport and want to know if there is anything fundamentally different. I recently got another puppy who, although not a pure shepherd, has a great temperment(great nerves; her bounceback time is amazing, and definitly has a strong prey drive). This started me to wondering if there were things one should do differently if one wanted the option later to try out a protection sport with the dog, if it turns out to be suitable.
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Cameron Feathers wrote 06/02/2008 11:05 AM Re: schutzund people..training a puppy? [Re: Mary Velazquez ] #197169 - 06/02/2008 11:05 AM
Cameron Feathers Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2008 Posts: 703 Loc: VA Offline	Quote: Mary Roach well, Im all for buying it but Im still just a broke college student. Im interested in knowing, though. c'mon, wont anyone tell me? It's not any one thing, it's a mentality and a way of handling specific (and nonspecific) behaviors. Since it IS already in video and e-book form, it would be easier for you to read and watch for yourself, that way it is clearer and more concise. A paraphrase just wouldn't explain enough. When a flower doesn't bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
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Carol Boche wrote 06/02/2008 11:13 AM Re: schutzund people..training a puppy? [Re: Mary Velazquez ] #197173 - 06/02/2008 11:13 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	hee hee, sorry Mary. Start with researching which breed you want, talk with clubs and people that handle dogs in your area. LE Trainers, not just handlers, are also good to talk with. I like my puppies pretty much out of control. Find a good, reliable trainer to assist you and make sure the decoy knows what they are doing. I actually printed off Ed's free articles and read, highlight and reference those. Follow the puppy training "rules" of crate training, tethering and building motivation and drives so that you create a good strong bond with your new prospect. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 06/02/2008 11:21 AM Re: schutzund people..training a puppy? [Re: Carol Boche ] #197174 - 06/02/2008 11:21 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Quote: but Ive never raised a dog for a protection sport and want to know if there is anything fundamentally different Manners and control go out the window for me. Let em go nuts, encourage things pet owners would freak out about etc. Theres so much to it, that I doubt anyone has the time to write it all out in a forum when the information is already out there
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Mary Velazquez wrote 06/02/2008 11:24 AM Re: schutzund people..training a puppy? [Re: Carol Boche ] #197175 - 06/02/2008 11:24 AM
Mary Velazquez Webboard User Reg: 12-24-2007 Posts: 575 Loc: Texas Offline	"out of control" just in general? Ive got one or two for you... so to even consider a dog for sport, the prerequisites are...excellent nerves and drive? Im mainly concerned with supressing drive (right phrasing?) or creating the mental barriers that I did with me shepherd. She has the bite inhibitions well into her. On the other hand, Im definitly not talking about a dog who feels its ok to bite anything or anyone (I know thats not what sport training does) just dont want to close my options before I even have a chance to know if shes suitable. Ok Im starting to see that the manners come later? so play time can be taken to the max, and thats when building drive and focus come in...
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Carol Boche wrote 06/02/2008 11:26 AM Re: schutzund people..training a puppy? [Re: Mary Velazquez ] #197177 - 06/02/2008 11:26 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	I would really search for someone who can evaluate for you. Are there any clubs in your area that you can contact and ask about joining or just going to observe for a while? Oh, and by out of control, I mean jumping, biting, chasing, barking, spinning, chewing......at HIGH SPEEDS. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Mary Velazquez wrote 06/02/2008 11:49 AM Re: schutzund people..training a puppy? [Re: Carol Boche ] #197179 - 06/02/2008 11:49 AM
Mary Velazquez Webboard User Reg: 12-24-2007 Posts: 575 Loc: Texas Offline	well, we have absolute non stop biting and focus thats like a laser pointer... there are no clubs that I know of. But I was thinking that I may move into an area where there would be, in a year or so, and if there was potential, we might see what we could do. She goes after cats with suprising tenacity. In every other dog Ive raised, getting swatted once was enough to make them stay about two feet away and bark from there but she did some kind of manual override on the pain and kept after him. Teaching them to leave the cat alone is my job, though, not the cats, but he usually is pretty good at it
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