hi my name is blake and im fairly new to this forum. i have a few questions about neutering your dog if you intend to use him as a protection trained dog. right now i have a 4 month old male brindle pitbull pup and am considering protection training. my vet wants me to neuter him at 6months old to avoid medical problems associated with the testicles. i am debating with myself whether or not to do this because ive heard many different stories about the affects of early neutering. i have heard that you should leave them intact until at least 2years so they can fully mentally and physically develope. im interested in all of your oppinions so whatever advice you have is welcome. thanks for your time.
Do not listen to your vet on this one. Keep him intact until at least 18 months, if not 2 years. Prostate problems do not usually surface till later on and it is not necessary to neuter now.
I have a dog that was neutered early. Not by my choice, and he does SchH but is not a strong dog. Neutering could have been part of the equation. He also looks like a bitch. I love him anyway, but I would not do that to a dog.
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There isn't any conclusive evidence that I have seen that the health benefits outweigh the benefits to the dog that will be protection trained. Neuter the dog at age 2, don't have any accidental litters between now and then. And just tell your vet you want to wait till the dog has matured before you are going to fix him. If he gives you a rasher of poop, smile. . .nod your head, while ignoring him. . .and go find a new vet.
One that understands you are a paying customer who has a legitimate reason for declining his advice. Not some child that he need's to force a decision on.
I'd go so far as to say that even if theoretically your dog didn't live 2-3 extra years that it would if it was neutered, I'd still not get it done.
Point being, for protection dogs it hurts the drive. They don't need to have it done. If someone in your family or someone else ever insisted or you wanted to, wait 2 years.
Bottom line to me is, even if mattered it still would ruin what you'd want, and then why would you have a protection dog in the first place?
i really appreciate all your guys adivce youve confirmed what ive been thinking. on a similar note, is 2 years a good age or should i wait longer? i am in no hurry and my vet can kiss my ass if she tries to push it on me.
I honestly believe it is your decision. If you are not letting your dog run loose to impregnate the neighborhood then your dogs nuts are your business. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> If you are absolutely, positively, NOT planning to breed you may want to do it. One of the people I train with just had her four year old neutered because he had prostate issues every time her bitches would come in. It just wasn't fair to him.
In Europe they don't spay and neuter like we do here. It is unheard of to have contracts that require it, etc....
Originally posted by Brad G.: I'd go so far as to say that even if theoretically your dog didn't live 2-3 extra years that it would if it was neutered, I'd still not get it done. The evidence does not support a conclusion that neutering male dogs makes them live longer at ALL on average, let alone 2-3 extra years. I've read a large number of veterinary journal articles on neutering, and I've dug around and found all the data I can find on this. Here is what's available in the way of average longevity data for neutered vs. intact male dogs:
Great Pyrenees
intact males 7.4 yr
neutered males 7.4 yr
Golden Retrievers
intact males 10.7 yr
neutered males 10.6 yr
Akitas
intact males 9.2 yr
neutered males 9.0 yr
So for each of these breeds, intact males and neutered males live essentially the same lifespans on average. These are the only sources I've found that include this type of data. I cannot find any credible evidence indicating that neutered male dogs (of any breed) live longer, on average, than intact male dodgs.
Originally posted by blake haunsperger: my vet wants me to neuter him at 6months old to avoid medical problems associated with the testicles. Blake,
Here's the stats on testicular cancer in dogs:
-- About 5% of intact male dogs will develop testicular tumors when they are older, at an average age of 10 years.
-- 90-95% of testicular tumors in male dogs are benign, 5-10% are malignant.
-- So 0.25-0.5% of intact male dogs will develop malignant testicular tumors.
-- 0.25% of dogs will die during neutering surgery.
Add it all up. Why would anyone neuter an intact male puppy or young dog and incur a 0.25% risk of the dog dying right then from the neutering, to prevent a 0.25-0.5% risk of the dog developing malignant testicular cancer when he's in his old age???
An exception to this is dogs with one or more undescended testicles (cryptorchid). The risk of testicular tumors in retained testicles is 14 times higher than in normal testicles. If I had a male dog with a retained testicle, I'd get the retained testicle surgically removed.
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