I just wanted to post a thank you to Mr. Frawley and Leerburg for suggesting the electronic no-bark collars. My rescue dog hated the crate - he'd yelp, bark, drool, and pant for hours. When I'd pull him out of the crate he'd be soaking wet from all the drool he'd worked up. He was a wreck inside that crate.

Within a day of using the collar he'd done a complete 180. He would whimper for a second when put in his crate and then he'd settle down and relax. No more barking, no more yelping, no more drooling, no more panting. The collar completely calmed him in the crate. It was amazing! We'll see if this continues.

FYI: For any newbies to the electronic collars they need to be on very snug. I think I had it on too loose and it was inconsistantly correcting the dog. This just freaked him out and made things even worse. Once I put it on correctly it only took a day for him to get the idea and calm down.

Very good point on fitting of collar. Corrections have to consistant rather a bark collar or training collar

Shane was it the Innotek $110 one you picked up?

I've been conteplating getting one as my dog at French Ring once someone starts to work in protection she smells the decoys or she hears the whip or the blank gun going off, she barks her yell off in the crate in the car.

In doing so she works herself up and tires herself out for her own work with the decoy when her time comes. It's great that she has the drive to work and wants to work but the barking sure is a waste of her energy.

Hey Geoff, the Tri-tronics Leerburg carries works very well.

Geoff,
Hey let me know how that works out with Sasha (if you do go with the no bark collar), I've got a GSD that is the same way. Unless she is one of the first out of the gate She's half spent by the time any work is done. Many times I've thought, what a waste.
An interesting idea.
Randy

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Hey let me know how that works out with Sasha (if you do go with the no bark collar), I've got a GSD that is the same way. Unless she is one of the first out of the gate She's half spent by the time any work is done. Many times I've thought, what a waste.
An interesting idea.

Yeah Randy,

It is not my idea it was given to me by Vince Nelles a CRA Level II decoy I met at a French Ring Seminar in Montreal. He has a FRIII dog called Bomber who barks himself out in the same way as our dogs do in the crate. I thought it was great idea.

My dog is still young and we are only working on our level I routine right now. So she still has lots gumption even if she barks her yell off for a few hours. I know she is all tuckered out when after we've worked her the second time on grips or the like and we don't hear a peep out of her when we put her up. If she still makes a rukus in the crate I always consider taking her out to work something as I know she isn't spent.

For sure a dog will use up a lot of energy if it carries on like a fool in the crate. A bark collar would go a long way in conserving that energy, especially on trial day working at higher levels.

Geoff,
For my dog it isn't just the energy level, she'll get herself so worked up at times, she can't think or even see straight once she gets out. Those days it really does become 'just a waste'.
Mentally drained + low energy level = A WASTED morning. And for all I know may even be a detriment the dog as a whole.

Ya think I could use her e-collar in place of the no bark? Or are they two different tools?

Randy

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Shane was it the Innotek $110 one you picked up?

No it was the Tri-tronics one they sell on this site - it was $110. I don't have any experience with the electronic collars, but it seems to be built well and is easy to use.

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She'll get herself so worked up at times, she can't think or even see straight once she gets out. Mentally drained + low energy level = A WASTED morning. And for all I know may even be a detriment the dog as a whole.

For sure Randy, All depending on her energy level YMMV.

I've seen my dog when her brain is firing like crazy with the decoy and she gets a correction from the decoy and it is like she "thinks" oh yeah that is what I'm supposed to be doing, then calms down. I'm sure getting a zing from a bark collar while she is in the crate will remind her, that the crate is her happy quiet place not a place to beat the crap out of her h20 bucket or go nuts barking.

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Ya think I could use her e-collar in place of the no bark? Or are they two different tools?

As for using your e-collar to zing her for barking in the crate. Personally I don't think it is a good idea.

Reason being .. sure the correction is basically the same but the bark collar would so much be better at timing them. You'd be hard pressed to time the corrections right. Plus you'd be stressed out trying to listen to your dog bark and not learning watching the other handlers work their dogs. What would happen if you heard another dog bark and zinged your dog by accident? To many negative variables why I wouldn't do it.

I'm thinking you'd want to differentiate the 2 collars especially for working the dog. At one point you'd probably could just use a dummy collar in the crate once the dog figured it out what was expected of it.

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Shane was it the Innotek $110 one you picked up?

No it was the Tri-tronics one they sell on this site - it was $110. I don't have any experience with the electronic collars, but it seems to be built well and is easy to use.

Yeah that's the I meant! Got the brands mixed up! All the e-collar companies make a bark collar but the Tri-Tronics one that Leerburg sells is one that Ed Recommends ... that tells me lots.