Eric Sacks wrote 06/30/2008 12:53 PM vitamin E for puppy? #200368 - 06/30/2008 12:53 PM
Eric Sacks Webboard User Reg: 06-18-2008 Posts: 230 Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii Offline	Hi All, I've been feeding my 13.5 week old, 35 lb. presa canario puppy, Cleo, a raw food diet. I've been giving her fish oil. I've read on the board about giving vitamin E also (esp. Connie and Natalya--you guys are great!). How much should I give her? I have some gel caps that are 400 IUs. Seems like alot. If it is, can I give her one every other day, or something like that? Don't know if it matters but Cleo also gets kelp, alfalfa, and wheat grass, every other day in a veggie "glop." Thanks, Eric Sacks http://web.mac.com/spacecadet808/Site/Cleos_Page.html
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Connie Sutherland wrote 06/30/2008 01:00 PM Re: vitamin E for puppy? [Re: Eric Sacks ] #200370 - 06/30/2008 01:00 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I'd use 3500 mg of fish oil (3.5 grams) and 100-200 IU of E at this weight. I really like to give it with the fish oil in order to ensure protection of the PUFAs in the oil.
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Eric Sacks wrote 06/30/2008 01:14 PM Re: vitamin E for puppy? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #200371 - 06/30/2008 01:14 PM
Eric Sacks Webboard User Reg: 06-18-2008 Posts: 230 Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii Offline	Thanks Connie, Cleo is growing so fast....how much should I increase the "E" dosage as she grows? She's grown about 6 lbs. in 2 weeks. Is there a IU per pound ratio like you use for fish oil? Should I maintain that dosage when she reaches adulthood? She will probably be between 100-125 lbs as an adult. http://web.mac.com/spacecadet808/Site/Cleos_Page.html
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Natalya Zahn wrote 06/30/2008 01:21 PM Re: vitamin E for puppy? [Re: Eric Sacks ] #200373 - 06/30/2008 01:21 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Hi Eric, Just quickly, I did a search on "vitamin e" here and came up with a lot of great threads - here's a good one (you should read all the way through to glean the most bits of info), but there are others, so I'd spend some time poking around the search function: http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=12&Number=191483&Searchpage=4&Main=19150&Words=vitamin+&topic=0&Search=true#Post191483 To quote a few of Connie's related posts (if that's allowed ):  Quote: I use 1 gram (1000 mg) of fish oil per ten pounds of dog weight. I give a 200 IU capsule of Vitamin E (not synthetic) to a small dog and 400 IU to a big one... because the fish oil is also given based on size of dog.  Quote: The 100, 200, 400, 600 IU amounts discussed for dogs getting fish oil are well below lab tests that have shown no adverse effects from high doses. However, I don't believe that anything is "the more, the better," so staying in those ranges is probably wise. JMO. So yes, you'll need to adjust the amounts as she grows. I wouldn't worry too much about getting the measurements spot on to the 10th of an IU though... as long as you're within RANGE you'll be just fine. Also, if you skip a vit E capsule one day, your girl will be fine - it's all about balance of nutrients over time. Cheers, ~Natalya
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Connie Sutherland wrote 06/30/2008 01:55 PM Re: vitamin E for puppy? [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #200376 - 06/30/2008 01:55 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Yep. It doesn't come in many dosages, and I'm always happy to find some 100 IU caps for the smallest of my own dogs. But when I have to use the 200s, I don't mind.
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Eric Sacks wrote 06/30/2008 03:21 PM Re: vitamin E for puppy? [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #200380 - 06/30/2008 03:21 PM
Eric Sacks Webboard User Reg: 06-18-2008 Posts: 230 Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii Offline	Hi Natalya, Thanks to both you and Connie for the info. I suppose I'll just give Cleo a little less than 1/2 the 400 IU pill and a little more than 1/2 to Alex (small adult rottie). Going to the fish market to look for some whole fish for Cleo and Alex. Any suggestions? http://web.mac.com/spacecadet808/Site/Cleos_Page.html
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Katie O'Connor wrote 06/30/2008 04:20 PM Re: vitamin E for puppy? [Re: Eric Sacks ] #200386 - 06/30/2008 04:20 PM
Katie O'Connor Webboard User Reg: 01-09-2007 Posts: 556 Loc: Upstate NY Offline	Hi Eric, I feed whole sardines, mackerel and tilapia. I get ground salmon and tuna from a local Oma's Pride distributor. As a special treat my dog will get a whole belly trim salmon occasionally. p.s. have you posted an intro.? I'd love to see a picture of your Presa puppy! Katie Edited by Katie O'Connor (06/30/2008 04:24 PM) Edit reason: add ps SG S'Eliana vom Kraftwerk IPO3,AD,CGC,KKL1 Jaya von der Olgameister AD, CGC Pierre, the Poodle!
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Eric Sacks wrote 06/30/2008 04:38 PM Re: vitamin E for puppy? [Re: Katie O'Connor ] #200387 - 06/30/2008 04:38 PM
Eric Sacks Webboard User Reg: 06-18-2008 Posts: 230 Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii Offline	Hi Katie, Thanks for the fish info. I would love to post a picture, but I'm an idiot. I can't figure out how to do it. I don't have a website , nor am I a member of facebook or myspace (I know, I should venture into the 21st century one of these days). Is there an easy way to post a pic? eric http://web.mac.com/spacecadet808/Site/Cleos_Page.html
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Mike Armstrong wrote 06/30/2008 04:58 PM Re: vitamin E for puppy? [Re: Eric Sacks ] #200389 - 06/30/2008 04:58 PM
Mike Armstrong Webboard User Reg: 08-06-2005 Posts: 615 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	Quite a few people use Photobucket, or you can google "image hosting" and find a lot of similar free sites. Open a free account, upload your photo(s), then you can copy or imbed the link to your photo album or individual photo(s) in your posts, emails and signature. Most of these services also let you do image size editing. This is handy because some sites, for example, will have a limit to the size of a photo that can be used in a signature. It's fairly straightforward stuff. Mike Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -Mark Twain
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Connie Sutherland wrote 06/30/2008 05:46 PM Re: vitamin E for puppy? [Re: Mike Armstrong ] #200391 - 06/30/2008 05:46 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Mike Armstrong This is handy because some sites, for example, will have a limit to the size of a photo that can be used in a signature. Like this one. A good place to remind folks that sig pics (only recently allowed on this board) should be small enough so that no one has to scroll because of your posts. I get PMs all the time about oversize sig pics, and it's hard to keep up with them. Other photos: Two in your Member Bio post at http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/146/page/1 and one memorial picture for a dog who has died at http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/143/page/1 As Mike says, Photobucket is great for other pics. It's free, and so easy even I managed to get a picture on there.
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