Siaty Mantak wrote 07/09/2008 02:48 PM Pill-Popping Pets #201175 - 07/09/2008 02:48 PM
Siaty Mantak Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2008 Posts: 124 Loc: Offline	I read this article in the New York Times on dogs that take psychiatric medication (chewable Prozac that tastes like beef) and ones that model $118,000 of jewelry. Absolutely shocking! No wonder why they have issues! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/magazine/13pets-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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John Stopps wrote 07/09/2008 05:01 PM Re: Pill-Popping Pets [Re: Siaty Mantak ] #201203 - 07/09/2008 05:01 PM
John Stopps Webboard User Reg: 03-10-2008 Posts: 238 Loc: Offline	I had a cat that started peeing all over for no reason. The vet could find no problems with him, so he put the cat on Prozac. Problem solved. Took him off of it after 3 months and he was fine. Rommel vom Kozies
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/09/2008 05:28 PM Re: Pill-Popping Pets [Re: John Stopps ] #201206 - 07/09/2008 05:28 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: John Stopps I had a cat that started peeing all over for no reason. The vet could find no problems with him, so he put the cat on Prozac. Problem solved. Took him off of it after 3 months and he was fine. I had not read of that use before. But a friend in our club has a 16-year-old GSD who was becoming anxious and confused with senility, to the point of PTS if the Prozac didn't help. The dog was too anxious some days to let that keep on. The Prozac eliminated the symptoms, and it's been six months so far. The dog is stiff in the mornings and can't do stairs, but he's himself again, and not frighened. It doesn't always do it, I know, and it's over-prescribed for really off-the-wall reasons, IMO, but my friend sure is grateful for this extra time.
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Jennifer Marshal wrote 07/09/2008 05:33 PM Re: Pill-Popping Pets [Re: John Stopps ] #201207 - 07/09/2008 05:33 PM
Jennifer Marshal Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2007 Posts: 1078 Loc: Southern Oregon Offline	Not to take this off topic but there are a lot of reasons that a cat can begin to urinate outside of the box. Age/coming into maturity, still intact, new additions to territory either objects or other animals or people, litterbox too dirty, poor diet, too many cats and not enough litterboxes, not enough boxes for one cat alone etc etc the list goes on. Medication is not a magic cure all and for peeing outside the litterbox I would not use a medication. I will read that article later, I have a feeling it would annoy me too much to read before work lol Edit: I just saw Connie's post, which is an example of proper use of a medication for calming or sedation. The extent at which I see these drugs being prescribed to animals is what gets me .. puppy chewed on your slippers? PROZAC TIME! New rescue dog growled at your child? PROZAC TIME! That is what irritates me.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/09/2008 05:36 PM Re: Pill-Popping Pets [Re: John Stopps ] #201208 - 07/09/2008 05:36 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: John Stopps I had a cat that started peeing all over for no reason. The vet could find no problems with him, so he put the cat on Prozac. Problem solved. Took him off of it after 3 months and he was fine. Did the vet mention what he suspected? I can't grasp what the idea was (although obviously he was correct and successful).
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/09/2008 05:39 PM Re: Pill-Popping Pets [Re: Jennifer Marshal ] #201209 - 07/09/2008 05:39 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Jennifer Marshal The extent at which I see these drugs being prescribed to animals is what gets me .. puppy chewed on your slippers? PROZAC TIME! New rescue dog growled at your child? PROZAC TIME! That is what irritates me. Me too. But I am interested in the vet's idea with the cat. I wonder what the vet suspected -- what the backstory was.
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Aaron Myracle wrote 07/09/2008 05:46 PM Re: Pill-Popping Pets [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #201211 - 07/09/2008 05:46 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Well, I took the chance and read the article. It was shockingly well written, and fairly discusses all sides of the issue. It's quite long, but quite good.
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Jennifer Marshal wrote 07/09/2008 06:21 PM Re: Pill-Popping Pets [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #201213 - 07/09/2008 06:21 PM
Jennifer Marshal Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2007 Posts: 1078 Loc: Southern Oregon Offline	If I may take a guess about the cat, it very well could have been one of the simple problems I listed above. Prozac alters behavior. If the peeing outside the box was due to territorial marking or new addition to the territory or box being too dirty/in the wrong spot, Prozac would affect that. 3 months is long enough box-going to become a habit, or the territory to become familiar or the new addition to not be an issue or now the boxes are kept cleaner because the owner is trying to make sure the cat is really using it, etc. Having been in anti-depressents (prozac included) many years ago, the affect on behavior and thought can be drastic and is more than a mildly sedating effect. I read part of it but I just don't have time right now. The first example of the obsessive tail chaser just makes me shake my head. We cannot know what happened to that dog to create that issue, but I dealt with a dog that would attack its own foot when it was eating and I used no medication.
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Sarah Morris wrote 07/09/2008 06:31 PM Re: Pill-Popping Pets [Re: Jennifer Marshal ] #201214 - 07/09/2008 06:31 PM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	Before prozac was approved for veterinary use, a few of our feline clients were prescribed Clomicalm (clomipramine) for territorial marking outside the box. We have a fairly large feral cat population here so these particular cats were reacting to the presence of the ferals outside. True
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Laura Dobson wrote 07/09/2008 06:41 PM Re: Pill-Popping Pets [Re: Jennifer Marshal ] #201215 - 07/09/2008 06:41 PM
Laura Dobson Webboard User Reg: 03-16-2008 Posts: 134 Loc: Offline	I know this is a dog forum, but I thought I would comment on the cat topic. I have a cat who was also peeing outside the box. I took her to the vet on many occasions, urine tests, blood tests, you name it. Finally, a new looked at her tests results and said because everything looked great, it lead him to believe she had high blood pressure. I said your kidding me right? A cat with high blood pressure, what does she have to be stressed about? There is no way to test a cat for blood pressure so we put her on bp pills and here now almost a year later she has never went outside her litter box. Who would have known. http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p546/jasper42/Lyka.jpg
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