Wayne Molnar wrote 07/31/2008 09:06 PM When is a two-receiver collar necessary? #203753 - 07/31/2008 09:06 PM
Wayne Molnar Webboard User Reg: 01-10-2008 Posts: 4 Loc: Offline	Hello Forum, I've been training my two year old springer/lab mix using the Electric Collar. The problem I'm having is when he sees another dog, rabbit, squirrel, etc. he becomes so fixated that no amount of stimulation can break his concentration. Is this a situation where I need to use another receiver to make it a two-receiver collar? I've seen them used. It's just hard for me to believe that my 55 lb. bird dog needs that much stimulation to break his concentration. I've checked my collar and related. Any comments and/or advice is appreciated. Furthermore, under what circumstances is a two-receiver collar necessary? Wayne (Rocket)
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Carol Boche wrote 07/31/2008 10:28 PM Re: When is a two-receiver collar necessary? [Re: Wayne Molnar ] #203771 - 07/31/2008 10:28 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	While I understand not being able to see the squirrels and what not....what do you do when another dog comes in view? And what do you mean by concentration? Typical "bird" dog stuff....low, still focused? or is he excited and going nuts? Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Wayne Molnar wrote 08/01/2008 02:53 AM Re: When is a two-receiver collar necessary? [Re: Carol Boche ] #203802 - 08/01/2008 02:53 AM
Wayne Molnar Webboard User Reg: 01-10-2008 Posts: 4 Loc: Offline	Hey Carol, thanks for the reply. With other dogs he gets all worked up and tries to pull me towards them to greet them, not in an aggressive way but in a friendly way. Which is exactly what I want to avoid while walking in the park. As far as the bird dog stuff goes he gets super still, head held up high or low depending on the height of the animal. For example, if it's a bird he's head is up tracking it, and so forth for the poor rabbit. It's like he's pointing at it watching the animal then tries to bolt to get it. I presume, this typical of a Springer Spaniel Lab mix since they are a combination of hunting dog and retriever. And again, exactly the type of behavior I want to avoid in the park. I can see the muscle twitching when I use the collar on its highest setting so I know the collar is working it's the handler I'm worried about. Suggestions anyone?
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Roni Hoff wrote 08/01/2008 06:02 AM Re: When is a two-receiver collar necessary? [Re: Wayne Molnar ] #203804 - 08/01/2008 06:02 AM
Roni Hoff Moderator Reg: 02-24-2002 Posts: 256 Loc: Offline	Wayne; Please check the tightness of the collar. It does not make "sense" that the dog is not responding. I do not advocate the use of 2 receivers. Timing is also important also. Best to learn the signals your dog is giving before he gets a chance to get so excited. Train to obtain your dog's attention on you in a quiet atomosphere, incrementatly increase the distractions, then WHEN you dog can work thru major stuff at home, go to the park, while it is quiet and work up to big distractions there. This gives both you and the dog the best chance of success.
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Mike Arnold wrote 08/01/2008 07:26 AM Re: When is a two-receiver collar necessary? [Re: Wayne Molnar ] #203810 - 08/01/2008 07:26 AM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Wayne Molnar wrote 08/01/2008 09:46 AM Re: When is a two-receiver collar necessary? [Re: Mike Arnold ] #203819 - 08/01/2008 09:46 AM
Wayne Molnar Webboard User Reg: 01-10-2008 Posts: 4 Loc: Offline	Wow! Didn't expect so many good responses which is whht I was hoping for. To Roni Hoff: I agree wihe the strategy of building up to major distracion. I was doing it that way and will continue to do so. However, if I'm walking down the street with my dog and a dog runs out in front of us I don't see how first, I can antipate that even if I'm looking for it becase the cats, birds, squirels, etc. have their own agenda. In short, I know it's impossibe to predict everything. Second, I hope I see the geeses flying low overhead befoe my dog does. This actually happened. At WalMart, right through their parking lot he ran with me holding the highest button down. Still haven't received response to when is a double receiver collar appropriate. Will write more later.
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Carol Boche wrote 08/01/2008 11:24 AM Re: When is a two-receiver collar necessary? [Re: Wayne Molnar ] #203841 - 08/01/2008 11:24 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Wayne Molnar Hey Carol, thanks for the reply. With other dogs he gets all worked up and tries to pull me towards them to greet them, not in an aggressive way but in a friendly way. Which is exactly what I want to avoid while walking in the park. Well, this is where you need to have total attention from your dog so that he does not want to display this behavior. Going back to basic training without distractions and working on focus with high value food rewards would be what I would do. Then, slowly add distraction one at a time, once he is solid with that distraction, then you add again.  Quote: Wayne Molnar As far as the bird dog stuff goes he gets super still, head held up high or low depending on the height of the animal. For example, if it's a bird he's head is up tracking it, and so forth for the poor rabbit. It's like he's pointing at it watching the animal then tries to bolt to get it. I presume, this typical of a Springer Spaniel Lab mix since they are a combination of hunting dog and retriever. Well, yes, it is typical behavior, but only with a dog that does not understand the behavior that you want, OR, a dog that sees himself as the leader and not you the handler. I am assuming this is a young dog? I cannot venture into your e-collar questions, that is better left to Roni and the others that use them all the time for postive training. Also, IMO, it does not sound as though this dog really needs the e-collars, but rather his basic obedience needs to be worked on a bit. Don't get me wrong though, this training can be done with an e-collar as well, but I am new at it so will not even venture to try and explain or give advice yet...... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Mike Arnold wrote 08/01/2008 02:02 PM Re: When is a two-receiver collar necessary? [Re: Wayne Molnar ] #203899 - 08/01/2008 02:02 PM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Wayne Molnar wrote 08/01/2008 03:15 PM Re: When is a two-receiver collar necessary? [Re: Mike Arnold ] #203946 - 08/01/2008 03:15 PM
Wayne Molnar Webboard User Reg: 01-10-2008 Posts: 4 Loc: Offline	Thank you all! I have a ton of good input to think about. I know where to go to get the best information and different points of view. I see our training improving greatly after this and a visit to the park is in the very near future! One more thing, has anyone noticed that my original question of When is an two-receiver ecollar appropriate,? never got answered. I've seen dogs with them on in person so there are dogs that use them I just want to know why. Please don't respond that I don't need to know that right now or anything similar. I feel confident I can handle the answer. Trust me with the truth, one more time.
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Roni Hoff wrote 08/02/2008 08:45 AM Re: When is a two-receiver collar necessary? [Re: Wayne Molnar ] #204058 - 08/02/2008 08:45 AM
Roni Hoff Moderator Reg: 02-24-2002 Posts: 256 Loc: Offline	Wayne, you missed my comment on 2 receivers. Not necessary.
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