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#209864 - 09/16/2008 09:37 PM |
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So mostly I have fed Kota sheep meat and bones. I'm in the process of reading the RAW e-book and have a few questions. Where can I find chicken necks and backs? I've never bought meat from the grocery store, so I don't really know what to look for when I go. Do they sell necks and backs normally? Will they be labeled 'chicken back'. Haha, I guess I need some help with what to look for.
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#209866 - 09/16/2008 09:57 PM |
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I've always gotten mine from the grocery. I order a case from the butcher and they come labled "chicken backs & necks" packaged together.
FYI: This is not the cheapest way to buy them, but I don't have a good raw co-op close by so it is the easiest way for me.
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#209867 - 09/16/2008 10:22 PM |
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I've found them labeled like Sarah's.
I've also found them labeled "fryer backs or necks".
I know you didn't ask, but I'll say it anyway. You may be able to get more bang for ya' buck buying fryer hens.
All the 40 lb. cases of backs and necks I have gotten have been really fatty. Fat isn't a bad thing, but I'm talkin' a BUNCH of excess fat.
Shop around. Ask your grocer how much they will sell you a case of whole chickens for. Since they won't have to label them, and they will soon know that you are very reliable about spending money with them, they may come off the price a little.:wink:
Just for my curiousity, what sheep bones have you been able to find? Where were you buying them?
A good priced, reliable source of sheep meat and bone is a pretty good basis for a raw diet, IMO. Nice!:smile:
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BTW, since necks and backs are ALWAYS listed in raw diet literature, it is easy to think that they have to be in a raw diet. They don't.
If you can find them, they can be a cheap source of RMB. If you can't, don't sweat it. Whole chickens or chicken 1/4ers are readily available and can handle the job of adding chicken into your dogs diet.:smile:
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#209993 - 09/17/2008 07:10 PM |
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I order a case from the butcher So I assume chicken necks and backs are not typical parts that would be eaten. And they probably will not be with the regular meat?
fryer hens....good to know. I've been feeding him ground lamb and leg bones (I assume since they're long & narrow  ) We get it from a local Sheep Farm ( http://www.hihosheep.com/ ) who usually give me a deal. He chews/eats the bones, sucks out the marrow and LOVES them. They're less than an inch in diameter. I also read that these bones should be recreational bones. Should I not be feeding them 3-4x per week?
I was a veggie since high school, and it hasn't been until recently that I have agreed with meat eating. I support certain places (the sheep farm, friends who hunt, etc) but really have NO CLUE when it comes to buying meat.
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So I assume chicken necks and backs are not typical parts that would be eaten. And they probably will not be with the regular meat?
Backs and necks are usually used for making stock so you may start see them now, out with the regular meat.
Buying a whole bird gives you everything and it tends to be cheaper than pre-cut chicken parts. All you need is a good pair of poultry shears to cut it up yourself.
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I've been feeding him ground lamb and leg bones (I assume since they're long & narrow ) We get it from a local Sheep Farm ( http://www.hihosheep.com/ ) who usually give me a deal. He chews/eats the bones, sucks out the marrow and LOVES them. They're less than an inch in diameter. I also read that these bones should be recreational bones. Should I not be feeding them 3-4x per week?
I would probably look for some softer bones, IMO. Anything but the legs would be good. Necks. Shoulder roast.
You said you aren't a meat eater, so please bear with me. I don't want to creep you out.  Heads would be good, too. Tripe, maybe?
Would you say you have a pretty good relationship with this farmer? Do they do the butchering there, themselves?
Does he know you are feeding this to a dog? I ask, because I'm trying to get a feel for y'alls dialogue, and how to go about asking for the goodies that they don't use. Or If they would make some "doggy" cuts for you. Here is a little example of what I mean. For people, ribs might be cut into individual ribs. My view of a "doggy" cut would be a whole rib rack. Get my drift. Sorry if thats confusing. I'll try to explain better if I need to.
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If nothing else, I would still get the lamb meat. Thats an excellent source of red meat you got there.
Then use these chickens or chicken parts that you are looking for as the edible bone.
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#210014 - 09/17/2008 10:15 PM |
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I was a veggie since high school, and it hasn't been until recently that I have agreed with meat eating. I support certain places (the sheep farm, friends who hunt, etc) but really have NO CLUE when it comes to buying meat. Get my drift. Sorry if thats confusing. I'll try to explain better if I need to.
I got to thinking about my post and wanted to come back and try to clear it up a little. Sometimes...OK, a lot of the time I suck at describing stuff.
What I was trying to say was to get the meat/RMB's as whole as possible. Only cut as small as you need them for a meal.
I don't know how you like to feed (one or two meals a day, or even every other day) so I'm going to explain this with a chicken. Since it is smaller and more manageable than a lamb.
Instead of a leg or thigh alone, leave them together in one bigger piece, a leg 1/4. Instead of a wing alone, leave it attached to 1/2 of the breast. Or you can go farther and instead of 1/4 ering the chicken, feed 1/2 of the chicken. Even farther, feed the whole chicken.
Same applies to bigger animals like goats and lambs. Try to leave them in the biggest parts that you can use for a meal.
I hope that was better. I hated to leave it as confusing as it was. 
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I was having a hard time finding backs locally. Called the grocery store to order a case and was shell-shocked at the price. Many didn't even provide the option. I then got out the phone book and called the butchers and wholesale meat companies. Found a supplier of 40lb cases of backs for almost half the price the grocery stores charged. It really paid to spend a couple hours on the phone doing price comparisons and it's a 15 minute drive to go get it.
Michael, I agree. The cases of backs I get have a lot of fat, too. I try to strip them down as best I can while separating into ziplock bags for freezing. I see the fat as money down the drain when it goes into the garbage like that.
With the whole fryers, there's not too much meat to bone? And if you're tossing fat off the back, is it advisable to strip the fat blobs from the whole bird?
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