I am proud to announce that TATP and HMTD training aids are now available for detector-K9 training purposes. Theses training aids are non-hazardous and non-detonable, and so, can be used within civilian populations and built up environments to create realistic explosive detection programs and scenarios. Furthermore, they are parent odor aids! These aids have been scientifically formulated in conjunction with others such as SEMTEX, TNT, RDX, Dynamite to provide trainers with "gold-standard" scent detection aids that contain the current advancements and cutting edge understandings in olfactory and scent science...aids that can really help them help us! Further information is available at scentlogix.com. Please let me know your comments.

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I These aids have been scientifically formulated in conjunction with others such as SEMTEX, TNT, RDX, Dynamite to provide trainers with "gold-standard" scent detection aids that contain the current advancements and cutting edge understandings in olfactory and scent science...aids that can really help them help us! Further information is available at scentlogix.com. Please let me know your comments.

A pseudo by any other names smells the same. When something is missing, it's not the same. I'd be interested in the double blind studies that were conducted to demonstrate the dogs proficiency on these "detection aids".

DFrost

I had the chance to listed to Dr. Adebimpe yesterday.
He outlined two often taught theories of the way receptors in olfactory epithelium function for a group of dog handlers and outlined his approach to creating training aides for scent detection dogs based on one of the theories.

Of great interest to bomb dog trainers was a discussion of problems with the simple facts that what might be described as a scent signature has great variation with age and content, not simply one of quantity. He also outlined his approach to solving those problems by formulation of what are really some pretty complex training aides in some cases.

I had previously asked him for definitions of parent odor and surrogate odor which he explain quite well.

I am looking forward to the chance to put his products to the test in double blind tests with a number of dogs. If he does not object I will report the results.

A true double blind study would be interesting. I look forward to the results. In my experience, many things look good in a lab yet suffer significantly when put into actual practice.

DFrost

I have used the explosives and narcotics and I am very happy with them. I was very skeptical at first since I have used nestt and sigma before but these aids are nothing like them. All you have to do is let the K9 be the final vendor. Every dog that I have put on these aids have alerted to them, narc or explosive. I use them due to the fact I do not have a ATF or DEA license. I do not miss a beat in my day to day training. Again you have to put former opinions aside and let the K9 tell you if it is there or not.

Austin

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Every dog that I have put on these aids have alerted to them, narc or explosive. I use them due to the fact I do not have a ATF or DEA license.

Again you have to put former opinions aside and let the K9 tell you if it is there or not.

Austin

I could ensure my dogs would respond to them as well. That's not the point. I do have an ATF and DEA license, can't see any reason to not use the real stuff.

I don't make training judgements based solely on my former opinions. I do, however, let my experience, which includes my own studies on pseudo, guide my training. I'll stick to my guns; it ain't real. Even today, with all the studies, the researchers can not, with specificity, state what the odor signature is. That translates to: it can be whatever some researcher, trying to sell a product, wants it to be.

Now sell me on the NORT as well.

DFrost

I will place the results of numerous tests on this board that I have conducted over the last several weeks with a variety of dogs. It is quite interesting.

I still need to compile the information and notes.

The reason to use them is does a drug dealer pass around the same drug for for years before the use it. I know most people have there DEA drugs for at least 2-4 years before they turn them in. Dealing with these agencies can be a pain. With these you do not have to worry about it, No destruction orders. Are you positive that DEA separates the drugs to ensure no cross contamination because I am sure that the tech working in the lab cares. Are you positive your k9 is hitting on the narcotic and not fillers used from seizure or DEA dope. The odor of narcs and bomb changes scent signature over time. Along with the amount of odor due to the surface area of what ever your looking for. ScentLogix breaks down the compounds to ensure the k9 is alerting to all the odors of the scent signature. Not just the one odor. But also has imprint aids that would allow the k9 to get the full odor. I use both scentlogix and real because I have to certify with narc and bombs. This product will help the k9 identify large odors and small odors. Good luck finding TATP and HMTD that you could train your dog on. Wouldn't you like to train your explosive and Narc dog in areas that you would use them on and not always in a controlled area. I can put a TATP aid in a bag near downtown and get my bomb dog with civilians around and not have to worry about someone taking it or more importantly it exploding.

I dont' get my drugs from DEA. I have them qualitative analysis on done on them. As for explosives, they are changed on a regular basis, it's not a difficult process. I've always found it interesting that I can place the different types of psuedos in a training area, without the handlers knowledge, and the dogs don't respond. It's also interesting, no reputable certification agency will allow the use of psuedo during any type of certification. As for the age of drugs, you'd have to understand drug trafficking a little better to understand that most drugs, except for marijuana, does not go directly from the manufacturer to the user. At any rate, I let the success of our 45 dogs speak for the program. My way of thinking is; if the dog is finding dope, then something must be right with the training.

DFrost

David Frost, it seems that change is coming your way. You are about to be taken to school and taught about odors. :-) It might be difficult for you to believe that ScentLogix training aids work, or that they are better than using the real stuff, but this is a fact. If you are a narc K9 trainer/handler who does not get his aids from the DEA, then your aids are not 100% pure. In fact i have never analyzed street coke and found it to be more than 40% pure. So do you know what you K9 is alerting on? Well, i do...and that is a fact. All this know-how is embodied within ScentLogix-K9 training aids. They are better than NESTT or Sigma and are now being used by 100's of trainers and handlers around the world. You see, using the real thing does not equate to having odor to detect the real thing. A 20 day old hamburger is still a hamburger but does not have the scent that you train a K9 on to lead you to a hamburger. Please feel free to ask any questions about scents that you might want to know and do not take it for granted any more that nobody knows odor. I'm here to work with and for you guys so please feel free to ask. Scent detection is now out of the dark ages and knowing the science behind odors will sure make the art better!