 First night with new puppy
#220317 - 12/16/2008 11:32 AM |
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To save time, since I'm at work, I'm going to cut and paste the email I sent my breeder.
Wow, was a rough one. She was fine in the car when I left. She whined a little, then settled down and took a nap. I got her home and took her out to potty immediately. I then put her in her crate and fed her in the crate. She scarfed it all down and drank a lot of water. I took her out again to potty afterwards then put her back in the crate. She started whining, first just whimpering then reaching fever pitch. When she calmed down I let her out to play for a little while, on leash. In fact, she is on leash whenever she has left the crate so far. I took her out to potty one more time then put her back in the crate for the night to go to bed. Well she made it clear she doesn't like her collar, the leash, or her crate. She whined, then moaned, then started screaming for quite some time. She doesn't like the crate at all. I put the sheet over her crate, turned on the radio, and tried to get to sleep. After about 20 minutes of screaming she got quiet. I fell asleep then about an hour later she starts yelling and screaming again. It was loud, real loud, so I took her crate out to the garage, turned on the radio, and put the sheet back on top of the crate. I got a few hours rest then woke up this morning, let her out immediately, and she did her business outside, but she did poop in the crate last night.
After hosing down the crate, and drying it, I put it back in the garage, put her back in the crate, to which she started yelling and screaming again. I tried to feed her in the crate but she just jumped all over the bowl and it dumped out in the crate. I left her in there with the food for about 20 minutes, and she didn't eat so I cleaned the kibble out of the crate and put her back in there. She did the same thing with her water, dumped it over and started yelling and screaming. Frawley says to feed them in the crate, and leave the food alone for 15 minutes. If they don't eat, pull the food away and they'll learn, so that's what I did. She didn't get to eat this morning. She dumped her water bowl over too and I left it there. She is hating that crate right now.
That's the first 12 hours of her with me. She ain't happy at all, she absolutely hates the crate |
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Re: First night with new puppy
[Re: Tommy DeVito ]
#220318 - 12/16/2008 11:40 AM |
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It gets better.
You have to stick to your guns, no matter how miserable she sounds, and how miserable you are. Resolve yourself to be more stubborn than the pup.
In a few days (a week if she is a real stubborn one, like mine was) she'll settle down.
As an aside, I usually don't leave water in the crate. Everyone differs on this, of course. My logic is, if you're taking the pup out hourly to potty, they have ample opportunity to stop off at the water bowl and drink every time you take them out.
I definitely understand your logic in letting the pup sit in the water that it spilled ("You did it to yourself, bone-head. Bet you don't make that mistake again."), however, I would shy away from anything that might acclimate the pup to sitting in a wet, messy crate. If they learn to tolerate the water, what's next? Urine? I want my dog to always see the crate as a safe, warm, dry refuge full of positive association.
Maybe I'm being too extreme, that's just my thinking.
Stick to your guns, though. It sounds like you are doing great. The first few days are rough, for you and the pup. She is probably used to romping freely and cuddling with her littermates- the crying is probably more closely linked to loosing her old environment, and less to do with dislike of the crate.
Hang in there, you're doin' good.
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Re: First night with new puppy
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#220319 - 12/16/2008 11:52 AM |
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In a few days (a week if she is a real stubborn one, like mine was) she'll settle down.
OR, what can happen is that eighteen months later, this same dog will still make the same screaming sounds every night when crated. Hmmm, Alyssa, if "real stubborn" lasts a week, what do you call 18mos?!
Didn't get much sleep last night and wanted to rain on someone else's parade. LOL!
Seriously, what Alyssa said is true. I just happen to be the lucky one to have one who still acts like it's his first night. Of course, he is worse because I allowed him to sleep w/me sometimes just so I could function and he didn't wake the neighbors...I'm not their favorite to begin with! Stick to your guns and she'll be quiet in no time!
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Re: First night with new puppy
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#220320 - 12/16/2008 11:58 AM |
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Also want to add. Have patience. LOT'S OF IT. Don't blow your cool. Things will get better.
If you think it's hard on us - the humans, try imagining what the pup is going through
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Re: First night with new puppy
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#220321 - 12/16/2008 12:00 PM |
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Tommy, keep in mind a young pup will have to go to the bathroom 2 or 3 times a night until their bladder gets big enough to hold a night's worth of urine. Wake her up (if she's sleeping) and take her out right before you go to bed. Then plan on setting the alarm clock for 3-4 hours later. It gets easier pretty quickly, but the first couple of weeks can be rough!
Is your garage heated, or are you in an area where the night temps aren't really cold right now?
Ditto what Alyssa said about water in the crate, especially at night.
The first night I had my pup I rolled up a gently worn sock and left that in with her, so that she'd have my smell in there with her. (she was small enough that swallowing it wasn't an issue)
What's your day to day schedule going to be like with her?
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Re: First night with new puppy
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#220322 - 12/16/2008 12:03 PM |
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Tommy, keep in mind a young pup will have to go to the bathroom 2 or 3 times a night until their bladder gets big enough to hold a night's worth of urine. Wake her up (if she's sleeping) and take her out right before you go to bed. Then plan on setting the alarm clock for 3-4 hours later. ...
You didn't mean 12 hours in the crate, right? I do what Lynne says with a newly adopted dog too, assiduously, because I want the idea of peeing in the crate not to have to even occur to the dog because there's no need.
Then there is no unwanted habit to break.
Even in the middle of the night, I do happy-party for outdoor urinating, although it might be a short and quiet happy-party.
Those nights of interrupted sleep at first pay off big time in ease of house-breaking.
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Re: First night with new puppy
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#220326 - 12/16/2008 12:44 PM |
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To me, it seems like this baby has an awful lot of crate time. I could be wrong, but that's what the description said to me. Remember that an 8 week old is basically a toddler. She needs interaction and play and stimulation. That way when she is in the crate she is too tired to howl (much). This was the only way I got any quiet time at my place when I was raising a litter. They'd be outside playing and as soon as I saw them starting to look for a place to crash, I'd put them in their crate or pen.
And if they cried (and i was 110% sure they had eaten, drank and pottied) I ignored them just until they were quiet for a certain amount of time - for young babies it was 1 or 2 minutes and work upward, then I'd say good quiet and let them out and immediately take them potty. (Sometimes a "good quiet" takes a *very long time* to happen... alas!) As an added bonus, my puppy adopters took home pups used to collars, leashes, and crates. 
Of course, it is pretty hard to give a puppy all your attention whenever they need it, so you are going to have times when you want them in there and they don't agree. Try and give her something else to do in her crate besides howl (like a filled, frozen Kong) so she learns good things happen in her crate, it's not always "puppy jail"
Just remember that a puppy is just a baby and try not to get too frustrated with her. Don't give in! Just try and remember that she WILL figure this out.
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Re: First night with new puppy
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#220331 - 12/16/2008 12:57 PM |
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When I first bought a puppy, I filed a very similar complaint to my mom. Her response was:
"Even if your puppy screamed every night for a year, it is cakewalk compared to what you put me through:
1. 9 months no wine or seafood
2. 4 years of interrupted sleep
3. $$$$
I think her list had about 20 items on it.
My pup now did the same thing for about 4 days. Now she screams and whines on the nights where I have a very important event early next morning.
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Re: First night with new puppy
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#220333 - 12/16/2008 01:04 PM |
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Thanks for the kind words. I'm learning an awful lot and fast. Ed teaches (according to what I've read and watched) to act aloof and only let them out to potty in the beginning. When they are quiet in the crate they can be let out for a walk, etc. But he specifically said IIRC (Pack DVD) that no playing or fun until the rules are established. I'm doing that now, but perhaps, due to the pups young age, I need to let her play for a while at night and do some interaction.
I did walk her last night, and let her play for a good while before that so I'm not just shoving her in the crate. When she learns to quit howling and moaning, I'll take her out for walks and play.
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Re: First night with new puppy
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#220340 - 12/16/2008 01:08 PM |
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OR, what can happen is that eighteen months later, this same dog will still make the same screaming sounds every night when crated. Hmmm, Alyssa, if "real stubborn" lasts a week, what do you call 18mos?!
A dog that needs to be taken out back and shot.
Just kidding.
If she hadn't shut up after a week, I would have bought one of these http://leerburg.com/815.htm by month two of noisy dog in crate.
I couldn't have a dog screaming in the crate for any length of time. 1) I need my sleep. 2) I need a dog that understands that crates are a place to be calm and settled. Among other things, it helps take stress out of the dog during protection training. After a particularly difficult session, going back into the crate signifies that it's time to relax and let go. If I allowed her to aquire the habit of screaming and being stressed in the crate, she'd be a nutjob on the training field (and eventually, a nutjob period. Nervy dogs suck.)
There are the rare dogs that derive an immense amount of satisfaction from the sole act of screaming and barking in their crate. They find it self-rewarding for some perverse reason (I am convinced these dogs are simply sadistic and fully understand that they are torturing their owners.)
Bark Limiting collars were designed for these dogs.
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