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#2599 - 01/24/2003 05:52 PM |
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It seems I have read something about this before on here. I did a search and couldnt find anything. Anyway if you are looking at working a dog in protection. What part has training the dog to have bite inhibition play if any. I mean at any age or training level.
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#2600 - 01/24/2003 07:23 PM |
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Better to teach the dog not to munch on you and redirect the biting to another objects. Many people don't want the dog to learn a lot of bite inhibition. I think it's pretty inevitable. You can't have the dog biting you or your family all of the time. A lot of bite inhibition work may interfear somewhat with developing biting if the work with stoping the biting is to harsh. You have to have a fine balence mostly using redirection.
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#2601 - 01/25/2003 09:02 AM |
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Thanks Eric. Come on anyone else. Im trying to geta variety of view points.
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#2602 - 01/25/2003 06:10 PM |
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Sorry. No variety here I agree with Eric. My 8 mo. old has never been corrected for biting. Not on me or property.I just take the unwanted away and stear her to a acceptable artical. I figure this can not hurt anythink, and we realy dont know what a correction might cause in the future.
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#2603 - 01/27/2003 09:00 AM |
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Ok, I'll disagree (kinda) - Bite inhibition is easily learned by a pup in its litter; when it bites a littermate too hard during play, the other pup protests and either responds with another bite back or it goes away. Either way, the game stops. So the pup learns to play with an inhibited bite. If the owner punishes the dog for ALL biting, it is fairly easy to produce complete bite inhibition in a very young pup. But if you punish only the "inappropriate" biting (on the sofa, your new shoes, etc) while encouraging hard biting on appropriate bite toys like tugs, toys, etc, the pup will learn to discriminate and there will be no problems with later bitework. There is no need to allow a pup to be a holy terror in order to preserve their working ability.
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#2604 - 01/27/2003 09:20 AM |
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Thanks guys. Just to add a little more fuel to the fire. I have been volunteering at a local doberman rescue orginazation. I have had a battle on my hands by saying that by teaching bite inhibition could ruin a future protection dog. Apparently any trainers who disagree with this dont know there "$hi#" and are not reputable.
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#2605 - 01/27/2003 09:46 AM |
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I don't understand your argument, Mike. Are you advocating teaching bite inhibition or against it? It WON'T ruin a future protection dog, but if you're rescuing dobes, isn't this a moot point? A rescue dog needs the best possble social manners to enhance his chances of being placed/adopted. For crying out loud, I'd ensure every rescue dog needing adoption had a SERIOUS case of bite inhibition!
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#2606 - 01/27/2003 11:02 AM |
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Originally posted by Lee Baragona - Sch3FH2:
Ok, I'll disagree (kinda) - Bite inhibition is easily learned by a pup in its litter; when it bites a littermate too hard during play, the other pup protests and either responds with another bite back or it goes away. Or yelps. The goal is to play, not murder each other so the pups help each other w/bite inhibition this way as well.
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#2607 - 01/27/2003 11:07 AM |
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Lee,
I don't understand what Mike is trying to say either.
If he talking about rescues, there odds are astronimically against finding a good protection dog prospect, it's hard enough to find one when you go to a breeder who knows how to produce sound working dogs, let alone unwanted pet dogs most of whom will be adults when they get dumped. Add to that, the lack of early foundation training in bite work, drive development and confidence building and I really don't see the point of the debate either.
And yes, even the future protection pup can be channeled onto appropriate objects. With the especially mouthy, pushy ones who like to chomp hard early, you learn to arm yourself and not be caught juteless. If the pup falls apart and never recovers for chomping on the forbidden, I have doubts as to whether that pup had enough tenacity and resiliance to be a protection dog anyway.
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#2608 - 01/27/2003 11:41 AM |
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Ok my argument was that you could ruin a future protection dog by doing this. COULD but not definatly. I would imagine it depends on the dog. I agree about bite inhition for rescues. This was not the issue. So does eveyone disagree with me on my argument. If so I guess I will have to eat crow. I respect the advice I get on here more than the advice I was already getting.
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