Lynne Barrows wrote 05/04/2009 10:27 AM Training 'back' #238543 - 05/04/2009 10:27 AM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	After watching Ingrid's video of Frost backing up it inspired me to teach Chula that command. I'm not doing well with it so far... I'm starting in front of her with a lure (treat in my fist) and moving into her, but most of the time she will sit, instead of back up. On the occasions that she does back up a step, I mark and reward, but she doesn't really seem to be getting it. We've done several short sessions over the past 3 days. What am I doing wrong??
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Jo Harker wrote 05/04/2009 10:32 AM Re: Training 'back' [Re: Lynne Barrows ] #238544 - 05/04/2009 10:32 AM
Jo Harker Webboard User Reg: 10-24-2008 Posts: 921 Loc: Indiana Offline	Question...when you trained her sit, did you "push" your hand in and up to get her to sit? If so, maybe she is confusing the "lure" with the hand signal to sit. Look! I DO fit in the bag.
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Lynne Barrows wrote 05/04/2009 10:33 AM Re: Training 'back' [Re: Jo Harker ] #238545 - 05/04/2009 10:33 AM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	Possibly I lured her in the same manor to learn sit. That was a long time ago though, and I don't ever lure her for a sit any more. We don't have a hand signal for sit...
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Wendy Lefebvre wrote 05/04/2009 11:59 AM Re: Training 'back' [Re: Lynne Barrows ] #238550 - 05/04/2009 11:59 AM
Wendy Lefebvre Webboard User Reg: 12-08-2005 Posts: 1271 Loc: Stoney Creek , Ontario, Canada Offline	How are you luring her? If she's following your hand up she's going to sit. Have you tried not luring her but just using your forward motion to get her to take a step back? Keep the treats behind you, take a step towards her while she is standing and she should take a step back, click & reward. Don't complain....TRAIN!!!
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Lynne Barrows wrote 05/04/2009 12:09 PM Re: Training 'back' [Re: Wendy Lefebvre ] #238554 - 05/04/2009 12:09 PM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	Wendy, thanks, that helps... I have tried to just step into her, at which point she thinks it's a game and jumps up on me...(she's not too inclined to back away from much... ) I think I will try luring again, but keep my hand down low, so that she won't be so inclined to sit.
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JessicaKromer wrote 05/04/2009 01:25 PM Re: Training 'back' [Re: Lynne Barrows ] #238561 - 05/04/2009 01:25 PM
JessicaKromer Webboard User Reg: 10-28-2006 Posts: 991 Loc: CA Offline	Quote: Lynne Barrows I have tried to just step into her, at which point she thinks it's a game and jumps up on me...(she's not too inclined to back away from much... ) I would stick with this for a bit, but try it in an area where she HAS to go either up or back, like between a couch and wall or coffee table. Correct (or ignore if train that way) her for jumping and keep moving until she does back up. As soon as she does, PRAISE!!!! Jessica
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Angela Burrell wrote 05/04/2009 01:27 PM Re: Training 'back' [Re: JessicaKromer ] #238562 - 05/04/2009 01:27 PM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Push the treat into her chest.
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John Vanek wrote 05/04/2009 02:25 PM Re: Training 'back' [Re: JessicaKromer ] #238567 - 05/04/2009 02:25 PM
John Vanek Webboard User Reg: 03-26-2008 Posts: 251 Loc: NY Offline	Quote: JessicaKromer try it in an area where she HAS to go either up or back, like between a couch and wall or coffee table. This worked really well for my dog.
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Jennifer Lee wrote 05/04/2009 02:27 PM Re: Training 'back' [Re: Angela Burrell ] #238568 - 05/04/2009 02:27 PM
Jennifer Lee Webboard User Reg: 12-16-2007 Posts: 2851 Loc: oklahoma Offline	I taught this between the couch and the coffee table too. The Bathroom would also work at our house because it is so small. It was a necessity for me to teach Nico not to turn around in small areas because she is so big and her tail is a full two feet of battering ram. So now she knows back up as a command and also does it automatically in tight spaces.
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Wendy Lefebvre wrote 05/04/2009 02:43 PM Re: Training 'back' [Re: Jennifer Lee ] #238572 - 05/04/2009 02:43 PM
Wendy Lefebvre Webboard User Reg: 12-08-2005 Posts: 1271 Loc: Stoney Creek , Ontario, Canada Offline	Lynne, using a table or other obstacle is a good idea too. Are you clicker training this? when she jumps up on you if you step into her, does she actually jump up on you, or is she doing one of those dolphin type jumps backwards? thats how Tucker first does the back up, he'll do this big dolphin jump backwards then step back normally. Actually he's pretty smart...if im just trying to get him to back up to get out of the way, he only has to do one huge jump backwards instead of a bunch of little steps....lol does anyone else know what I mean by a dolphin jump??? It's kind of like a pounce, only backwards. Don't complain....TRAIN!!!
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