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#21710 - 01/22/2003 06:26 PM |
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I was told during training classes, not to pop the dog for not obeying a command - as the dog will then only obey after you pop! (eg: will take the pop as the signal). But then again, the pops used in these classes are just a little tug on the lead.
I am training my girl by food reward - but if she doesn't fancy the treat, I don't always get the response.
Any suggestions?
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#21711 - 01/22/2003 06:33 PM |
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First off you might want to tell us how old your dog is and how much training she has had... ie, 3 lessons etc... If the dog has not gone through the learning phase, popping her is not fair. Witholding her treats would be.
Ed has a great video that is probably half of what it cost you for your group lessons named Basic Dog Obedience. Check it out.
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#21712 - 01/22/2003 07:01 PM |
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My dog is 8 months old (small breed). I have used treats for training since I first got her (at 12 weeks old).
She will sit, drop, come, roll-over, heel etc - for treats. I have never used corrections on her yet - but do withold the treats if she doesn't obey (but as mentioned, if she doesn't fancy the treat, she doesn't really care!).
I have Eds 2 video's - 8 weeks to 8 months & the Obedience tape.
I don't use a choke chain - I have only been using a flat buckle leather collar (as she is only small!).
Do I need to start showing her that I mean business somehow? ie: start corrections?
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#21713 - 01/22/2003 07:23 PM |
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8 months is not too young to start corrections. However, only use corrections if you are 100% certain your dog knows the command. Otherwise correcting the dog would be un-fair. Also be sure to use the absolute mildest correction needed to achieve the desired results. Ed explains this all in his video.
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#21714 - 01/22/2003 07:37 PM |
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Ok, thanks.
She does know the basic commands - and will obey them most of the time. But when I, for example - tell her to sit, out of the blue, during a walk - she doesn't always do it.
When I try anything "new" I get the "I have no idea what you are talking about" look. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#21715 - 01/22/2003 08:53 PM |
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Originally posted by Julie Gausten:
She does know the basic commands - and will obey them most of the time. But when I, for example - tell her to sit, out of the blue, during a walk - she doesn't always do it.
When I try anything "new" I get the "I have no idea what you are talking about" look. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> When you do this out of the blue stuff do you have rewards? People tend to put the cart before the horse when training. If your dog is solid with intermittent rewards indoors, it doesn't mean that you can still use the intermittent rewards in a new situation. ie; heeling in the house no distractions, moderate rewards... but when switching to heeling outside with distractions you need to back up and reward heavily again. Dogs learn in context... so if you only ask for the down in class or at home, you shouldn't be suprised when she looks at you like you are smoking crack <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> You just need to back up and teach her to accept the command in a more general sense.
Personally, I wouldn't start with the corrections just yet, but I do not know what your plans are for this dog. It is your call.
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#21716 - 01/22/2003 09:33 PM |
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Initially, I started training her in the house and fenced yard - and I always showed her the treat prior to giving the command.
Then I introduced Sit, give paw etc, as saying "please", for toys, dinner etc - and she does OK.
Now I have been trying to do the "out of the blue" stuff - but I always show her the treat first. But you are probably right, she just doesn't associate these commands with being out and about yet.
Interestingly, she will obey the "wait" & "free" command at all roads - and has never got a treat for that - just a "good girl"!. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
My only plans for her - are to have a good canine companion, that I can take everywhere with me. Would like to try agility & some tracking.
Thank you for your comments, they are much appreciated. I will ramp-up the treats outside.
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#21717 - 01/22/2003 09:34 PM |
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I'm with Deanna - sounds more like the dog hasn't generalized the behaviors to a variety of contexts yet. Each time you change the context where you are expecting the behavior, the dog has to "relearn" the behavior, until you have done it in many settings, under many distractions. THen they generalize the behavior to all conditions. I wouldn't be correcting yet either. But to clear up the false statement that someone told you - the dog will not learn to wait for the pop before complying IF you do it correctly: give the command, give the dog ONE SECOND to comply (in which case she avoids any correction and gets praised instead), then give the pop. The dog then complies. Soon, she will anticipate that the pop will come quickly after the command and she will beat you to the punch by complying, and then she will understand that all she has to do is comply and life is good again, cuz she effectively avoids all corrections.
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#21718 - 01/22/2003 09:56 PM |
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Yes, I now understand,
I won't correct her yet, as I still need to do quite a bit more work with her in different situations/environments.
I didn't fully get the importance of using so many different environments while using commands she knows only in certain situations.
I guess I assumed that becasue we have been using these commands since day 1 at home - she would automatically be OK with them everywhere. :rolleyes: - Dumb handler!!
...and yes, you have explained the "Pop" issue clearer to me.
Thank you so much
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#21719 - 01/24/2003 09:52 AM |
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I would not be doing correction untill you have been training a while with this dog ,and in other areas .I think that we want things faster than our dogs can give us when they are that age .I have been guilty of that over the years,but you will pay for it later and the foundation and growth is so important to the pups development at this age . Peter
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