Another police dog left in car dies...
#247612 - 07/22/2009 07:41 AM |
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This just breaks my heart. I can't imagine what the poor dog must have gone through.
It bothers me that there is a poll asking people for their opinion on whether the officer should be charged. There is no information in the article on how this happened.
http://www.wdsu.com/news/20134024/detail.html
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Re: Another police dog left in car dies...
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#247664 - 07/22/2009 04:44 PM |
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Very sad. That poor dog died nedlessly. Even if there are safety measures taken with additions to the vehicle to keep it cool, there should be some kind of alarm or something that would sound or relay to the officer to prevent this. It is unforgivable! With the time, energy, money & training that goes into these dogs, this is a terrible waste.
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Re: Another police dog left in car dies...
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#247665 - 07/22/2009 04:58 PM |
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there should be some kind of alarm or something that would sound or relay to the officer to prevent this.
There is.
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#247667 - 07/22/2009 05:11 PM |
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the article stated there was an alarm system
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Re: Another police dog left in car dies...
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#247672 - 07/22/2009 06:29 PM |
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It would be interesting to know if it was activated or if there was a failure in the system.
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#247673 - 07/22/2009 06:34 PM |
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It states that they were not sure if the 'system' was installed on THAT vehicle.
Quote: New Orleans police representatives said there are safety measures in place on police vehicles in case the vehicle shuts off. It's not clear whether those measures were used on the vehicle with Primo.
It should be on ALL the k9 vehicles. There should be no question as to whether it was or was not installed on the vehicle.
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#247679 - 07/22/2009 07:42 PM |
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Breaks my heart... what a horrible way for this dog to have died.
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Re: police dog left in car dies...
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#247683 - 07/22/2009 08:58 PM |
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I post on these topics quite often and you will see my reason if you descide to read the link I post here .
Once again there is not enough information in this article what so ever to comdemn or exclude the officer from any wrong doing . If there was neglect it should be dealt with if there wasn't pray for BOTH dog , handler and their family because they suffered a great loss .
I had a close call 2 weeks ago . It was sunny and in the mid 80's. I had a spare(older) K9 car since my assigned squad was in for repairs . It is equipped with a heat alarm system and I had it on and tested it before leaving the dog in the squad . I was able to break away from what I was doing to check on the squad .
I came out to find the car running very rough and about to stall . I was able to break away from what I had been doing entirely and take the car to our shop . As I got in the air conditioner was already blowing hot air . When I put the car in gear it died and wouldn't restart . Luckily there was another squad pulling in the lot . He was able to jump the battery and follow me to our shop that happened to be a couple of miles away . The car would come very close to stalling out again if I slowed down too much . As I neared the shop I honked at a slow moving car in my way . The horn didn't work . That is what was supposed to go off if the squad overheats . Turns out the squad had some electrical problems mainly due to a simple bad battery . New but bad .
These things happen very fast . I got very lucky if it had overheated I would have never known , even with the alarm system activated , because the horn wasn't working .
I won't speak for all Police K9 Officers but I do know many feel the same way I do and know how easily this could happen to them . Please in emotional and sad situations like this don't comdemn the Officer before you know all the facts . It's a huge loss for that Officers and his/hers family to and the Officer may have done everything he possibly could have to prevent it but couldn't . Also realize that compared to the large number of Police K9's in this country this is a very rare event but the media has a very wide access to folks nowadays through TV , newspapers , internet news sites and discussions forums like this to get the stories out there .
Please read the link if you care to know more about this subject .
http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/245107/page/7#Post245107
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Re: Another police dog left in car dies...
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#247685 - 07/22/2009 09:05 PM |
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If you don't have time to read the entire link please read what I stated in it and give it some thought .
Here it is :
First off I want to state I'm a K9 Officer with a partner I love and spend more time with then my family . He has protected me , my fellow Officers and the public on many occassions helping take violent suspects into custody . I have also protected him on many occassions also . I try to park in shaded areas , make sure my squad and equipment are properly maintained and check on my parner as much as possible if I leave him in the squad . But doing this is not a guarantee against this type of thing happening .
I am lucky enough to have a department that suplies us with take home squads , heat sensors in our vehicle's , window tint and regular maintainance on our squads . We have never lost a K9 to heat stroke in our vehicles but I'm sure someday it may happen . When I read discussions like this I think ; " There but for the grace of God go I . "
The heat sensors for all 22 squads plus 5 spares were paid for by donations from the public to our K9 Foundations run and formed by civilian volunteers . MANY police departments aren't so lucky and there K9 units are faced with a big descision to make if they can't raise enough money for equipment . Some have departments where they can simply show a need and benefit of the equipment and the department will purchase it . Others may do the same and be refused . With these departments the K9 unit must now descide between taking a risk and working without it or pressing the issue and risk the department shutting down the whole unit . This means risking losing a vital tool that is keeping the public and officers safe . Easy for those not putting themselves in danger as there job to say TAKE THE RISK but for those whose butt is on the line it's not that easy a choice .
For those who feel strongly about this subject and want to read into this particular article or others containing just as little information involving the same subject . Rather then jumping to conclusions and condemning the officers , step away from the keyboard and find out if your local law enforcement K9's have the proper equipment . If they don't try raising money for it . I wouldn't recommend publicly insisting the departments pay for it . Usually departments like these respond very negatively to poor press and their response to something that brings them bad press is to get rid of the offending source of that bad press .
Barbara stated :
" When rereading the article, the fact that NO information was provided which alluded to the possibility that this was not negligent was not given by even the police department; they were quoted as saying something to the effect that they would take steps to ensure this never happened again. To me, that sounds as if they acknowledged someone blew it. "
I disagree , it's pretty common for departments after contraversial incidents to say this . For example , My best friend who I partnered with from time to time when we started was forced to shot someone charging at him with a weapon . It was very up close and violent . I sat with him that night through the process . He's a great guy and was very traumatized buy this . It wasn't something he wanted to happen in his career . At the end of that very long night the Chief at the time after learning all the facts came up and stated he was glad he was alright and had the Chiefs full support but the Chief warned him of the backlash that was going to come out of it and it did . The Chief made a very similar statement to the public about learning from this incident and trying to find ways to avoid such incidents in the future . Very common response in most high profile incidents wether the Officer did anything wrong or not .
Usually they don't use the words like never or guarantee anything though because they know short of never using K9's again , they can't possibly guarantee that , even if they got the best equipment money can buy . But in this case the department stated it would never happen again and someone else wanted a guarantee . Both are not possible and I hope they don't learn the hard way .
I know that this will upset many peole here but this will happen again and there is no way to avoid it short of not using K9's in law enforcement . Equipment breaks down , Officers must leave their dogs in the car unattended as part of their job . These are risks we must take like many others in this line of work , there are just no ways around them .
There will be more K9's lost this way but compared to how many K9's are out there it's a very small percentage of dog's that die this way .
The statement is always made in incidents like these that IT SHOULDN"T HAVE HAPPENED and I agree but shootings , stabbings , robberies , etc. shouldn't happen either but they do and K9's are essencial in catching these monsters so others won't be victimised and all of these things are going to happen again and again wether we like it or not . We must take risks both the dogs and Officers and leaving the dog in the squad car will always be a risk we must take .
I agree incidents like this should always be looked into and action taken to improve things if possible but I hate seeing knee jerk reactions by folks who know very little of the REAL story usually condemning the Officer . Why , because knowing the job I know I could easily be in a similar position even if I did everything in my power to avoid it .
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Re: police dog left in car dies...
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#247686 - 07/22/2009 09:12 PM |
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I was working a traffic crash one evening and my Crown Vic overheated, causing steam to emit from the hood and be blown into the car. Fortunately I was within eyesight of the car and saw it happen before the heat alarm activated. Had I been predisposed and away from the car in this Florida heat, who knows if the dog would have lasted before I was notified by a passerby (if in fact they even called as squad cars with the lights on is not an unusual thing).
There are people who would laugh at a police car overheating. 90% of people don't even know there's a dog in there at a glance. They would just drive by chuckling about our bad luck, all along not knowing that a dog is going to perish. Sh** happens...sometimes we're lucky, other times we're not. Don't hang the man till the facts are out.
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