Matt Lang Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2008
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Just a quick question re: the carbs in Honest Kitchen -
should there be any concern about some of the ingredients: oats, flaxseeds, rye, potatoes..., or are those more or less ok even though they're non-meat?
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I don't use the The Honest Kitchen formulas with grains in them. I just don't think it's necessary. I'm sure some dogs do just fine (though they would do better without) them in their meals. When I use THK I only use Embark and Force (and maybe the new fish formula coming out soon if it's grain free). I only use them when I'm traveling and can't store raw meat though.
But there are many others on here who can give way better input than me
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Quote: Katie Finlay
When I use THK I only use Embark and Force (and maybe the new fish formula coming out soon if it's grain free).
Me too. Be aware that some dogs can have flax allergies. Food allergies are a small percentage of true allergies in dogs and flax is a very small percentage of that, but it's still something to be aware of.
I use THK (when I do use it) with RMBs. The resulting proportion of potato, etc., is then very small.
I guess I'm saying that I consider Force and Embark to be such excellent foods of such high quality and such a simple bridge for folks who may want to do raw but prefer a more structured approach (either to begin, or long-term) as well as so handy for travel, that the few complaints that I would have are small compared to the pluses.
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What *are* the carbohydrate needs of a domestic dog? The only cooked foods I ever supplement are boiled sweet potato or brown rice, but in pretty small amounts considering the poundage of meat/bones/organs*. I'm sure there is some in the raw veggies (squash, etc.), I add, but how much is needed/too much? Also, I give whole eggs, but see a lot of shell in the stool. Always wondered how much of the shell is actually digested/taken in.
*I loosely follow the diet Ed put here on Leerburg, variations occur to what I have on hand
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Quote: chip bridges
What *are* the carbohydrate needs of a domestic dog? The only cooked foods I ever supplement are boiled sweet potato or brown rice, but in pretty small amounts considering the poundage of meat/bones/organs*. I'm sure there is some in the raw veggies (squash, etc.), I add, but how much is needed/too much? Also, I give whole eggs, but see a lot of shell in the stool. Always wondered how much of the shell is actually digested/taken in.
*I loosely follow the diet Ed put here on Leerburg, variations occur to what I have on hand
There is no actual minimum carb "requirement" for healthy dogs.
See Merck 8th, page 1628, or the Waltham Book of Clinical Nutrition of the Dog and Cat.
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PS
It's true that glucose is necessary for the proper function of the liver, thyroid, heart, etc. But gluconeogenesis (GNG)* (in dogs, this is a liver function) allows both amino acids and fat to convert to glucose. Carbs do it faster, so sometimes there is confusion about carbs being necessary for the animal's glucose supplies, but they aren't actually required.
ETA
Waltham 2nd edition:
"There is no known minimum dietary carbohydrate requirement for either the dog or the cat. .... it is likely that dogs and cats can be maintained without carbohydrates if the diet supplies enough fat or protein from which the metabolic requirement for glucose is derived."
Edited by Connie Sutherland (06/25/2010 09:38 PM)
Edit reason: ETA
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