 Agressive GSD Muzzle Question
#279287 - 06/09/2010 02:07 PM |
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I have a 2-year-old male GSD who is highly aggressive to anyone who is not myself, my boyfriend and my daughter. He is about 95-lbs, born of Czech-imported working K-9s, a very powerful muscular dog.
I have found a trainer who is willing to assit me in trying to train him out of this behavior, or at least to obtain more control over him (I also plan to order several of Ed's DVDS), however I am going to have him neutered first before any of this. My long-time vet has agreed to do this and I need to order a muzzle from this site for both the neutering and the training sessions. I am hoping for advice on which would be the most secure for this dog - the wire basket GSD kind or the leather muzzle (not the police one, the other one). This dog in the past had a nylon muzzle which he is able to slip quickly if given the chance, so I want something SECURE since he will be at the vet most of the day for his neuter and this is making me QUITE nervous, needless to say!
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Agressive GSD Muzzle Question
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#279295 - 06/09/2010 02:31 PM |
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That is a great idea! I will see what I can put together, I know I have some wire. Can they drink through the leather muzzle? That's another thing is that if he's there all day he'll need water, and I don't want them taking off his muzzle to let him drink, that would be a BAD DAY.
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#279296 - 06/09/2010 02:37 PM |
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Neutering this dog is probably not going to change his aggression - not at 2 years of age. You missed the window on that. So if you want my opinion - don't waste your money on it.
I would recommend the wire basket muzzle we sell - the dogs can drink with it on and they seem to accept them quicker than the others. We have an excellent muzzle sizing chart on our main muzzle page - http://leerburg.com/muzzles.htm the URL for the dog muzzle sizing chart s http://leerburg.com/muzzlefit.htm
You mentioned the dog has been using a cloth muzzle. These are not only ineffective they are dangerous to leave on a dog for extended periods of time. Dogs cant pant with them on and in warm weather they can easily over heat.
Be very very careful about how this trainer is going to approach this problem. He could easily make the problem worse if he doesnt know what he is doing.
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#279303 - 06/09/2010 03:15 PM |
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Ed, thank you for your advice! I only used the cloth muzzle once because I found it was virtually pointless. I already measured and sized him with your guide and I will be purchasing the wire muzzle.
Do you think that neutering him would have any effect on his bullying of my other dog and the "marking" wars they like to have? He mounts him frequently and will not stop even with correction, so I was hoping the neutering would have the combined effect of eliminating excess hormones, making his training a little easier along with making him not so eager to dominate the other dog. Is there a chance it will help even a little?
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Also, in regard to the trainer: From what I can tell he is a good one. He works mainly with pits, GSDs and Mals, and specializes in aggression. He comes highly recommmended with many references, so I want to give it a shot because frankly this dog is dangerous. If the training is unsuccessful or he gets worse, I feel like euthanasia may be my only recourse and I do NOT want to have to go down that road. I feel it is my fault the dog is this way and I should do what I can to rectify the situation.
I also live in a rural area and though this trainer lives an hour from me, he is the only one I could find willing to work witn such an aggressive dog. So I hope I'm making the right decision. What should I watch for to make sure he is helping and not hurting the situation?
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#279306 - 06/09/2010 03:50 PM |
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... Do you think that neutering him would have any effect on his bullying of my other dog and the "marking" wars they like to have? He mounts him frequently and will not stop even with correction, so I was hoping the neutering would have the combined effect of eliminating excess hormones, making his training a little easier along with making him not so eager to dominate the other dog. Is there a chance it will help even a little?
Mounting is something I just do not allow. Period. And no, neutering is not going to change it; it's a show or test of domination.
This kind of overt show of domination is just not allowed in my pack.
In the case of this dog, it goes double; I would separate the dogs completely.
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Thank you Connie. HOW do you not allow it, is probably what I should be asking. I've tried to correct it and nothing I have done has seemed to make any impression once I'm not standing there anymore. And when I do separate them for a few days it seems to get worse when they do see each other again. If I don't separate them, it stays at a more moderate level. Is this something you've experienced too?
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#279308 - 06/09/2010 04:17 PM |
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Separate them permanently, or keep him on a leash when he's near your other dogs.
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Thank you Connie. HOW do you not allow it, is probably what I should be asking. I've tried to correct it and nothing I have done has seemed to make any impression once I'm not standing there anymore. And when I do separate them for a few days it seems to get worse when they do see each other again. If I don't separate them, it stays at a more moderate level. Is this something you've experienced too?
I agree with Aaron 100%.
- You can't give away the rule-making responsibility to the dog.
- You don't want your other dog bullied. You're the dog's protector.
- Mounting will often become something else, escalating. Not only that, but the other dog may just decide not to tolerate it any longer. Either way, very bad outcome.
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