Ana Kozlowsky wrote 06/15/2010 11:21 AM Grip development Michael Ellis style. #280109 - 06/15/2010 11:21 AM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	Resource guarding aggression as described in the latest ME video - wouldn't it be the same behavior used in Flinks' Building Drive and Focus to develop grip? The dog is possessing the item and we are trying to steal it from him? ME: "we don't use it often", Flinks: "steal the toy if the dog loosens his grip". How does ME develop the grip when he does not use resource guarding aggression or pain aggression? There is a lot of stroking and running around with the item in ME videos but Flinks does all that as well. Is there a technique that's unique to ME system? Or is the difference in the application of the same basic methods?
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steve strom wrote 06/15/2010 12:29 PM Re: Grip development Michael Ellis style. [Re: Ana Kozlowsky ] #280117 - 06/15/2010 12:29 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	resource guarding This is resource guarding Ana.It's separate of the grip work.
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Ana Kozlowsky wrote 06/15/2010 12:43 PM Re: Grip development Michael Ellis style. [Re: steve strom ] #280119 - 06/15/2010 12:43 PM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	So is it used to make the dog go nuts about that sleeve wanting to bite it and take it back when the big bad helper got it? How is the grip developed then in ME system? eta: I bet it's covered in the new Retrieve DVD!!!
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randy allen wrote 06/15/2010 01:17 PM Re: Grip development Michael Ellis style. [Re: Ana Kozlowsky ] #280123 - 06/15/2010 01:17 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Retrieve is NOT the same thing as grip!
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Ana Kozlowsky wrote 06/15/2010 01:39 PM Re: Grip development Michael Ellis style. [Re: randy allen ] #280126 - 06/15/2010 01:39 PM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	The dog is not supposed to roll/chew/drop the dumbbell, right? I hope very much ME would mention something like "we are doing basically the same thing when we are trying to develop the grip" or "we won't be using this technique to develop the grip because...".
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randy allen wrote 06/15/2010 01:52 PM Re: Grip development Michael Ellis style. [Re: Ana Kozlowsky ] #280127 - 06/15/2010 01:52 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Can't speak for M.E. But there's two entirely different pressures envolved in the gripping of the sleeve and the send out for a retrieve. You are not telling the dog to retrieve the guy with the sleeve! ETA, Maybe I'm not understanding your question.
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Scott Kapphahn wrote 06/15/2010 01:58 PM Re: Grip development Michael Ellis style. [Re: randy allen ] #280129 - 06/15/2010 01:58 PM
Scott Kapphahn Webboard User Reg: 05-07-2008 Posts: 158 Loc: Minnesota Offline	Quote: randy allen You are not telling the dog to retrieve the guy with the sleeve! Why not?????
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Ana Kozlowsky wrote 06/15/2010 01:59 PM Re: Grip development Michael Ellis style. [Re: randy allen ] #280130 - 06/15/2010 01:59 PM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	So how would you approach grip development other than using Flinks' method?  Quote: randy allen You are not telling the dog to retrieve the guy with the sleeve! Too bad. Wouldn't that be fun to watch! eta: if ME does not use the "steal the item from the dog if he is not gripping it tight" method what *does* he use?
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Ana Kozlowsky wrote 06/15/2010 02:11 PM Re: Grip development Michael Ellis style. [Re: Scott Kapphahn ] #280131 - 06/15/2010 02:11 PM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	Quote: Scott Kapphahn  Quote: randy allen You are not telling the dog to retrieve the guy with the sleeve! Why not????? Because most helpers would balk at being thrown over the hurdle?
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steve strom wrote 06/15/2010 02:41 PM Re: Grip development Michael Ellis style. [Re: Ana Kozlowsky ] #280134 - 06/15/2010 02:41 PM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	Quote: Ana Kozlowsky  Quote: Scott Kapphahn  Quote: randy allen You are not telling the dog to retrieve the guy with the sleeve! Why not????? Because most helpers would balk at being thrown over the hurdle? Start him off on the flat till he's used to it.
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