How do you know when you should start adding in corrections?
I think it's time to start doing this with Kenzi. I've done a lot of marker work with her over the last several months. She loves it, but her attitude is not quite what I want. I put a prong back on her today for some leash issues and her whole attitude changed after a couple of light pops. Her focus went up several notches. It was like "oh, you're serious, yes, ma'am".
More of a little ho-hum at times. Or "look there's a squirrel in the tree". Today when she had her prong on she did her "oh, there's a squirrel" I gave her a "no" and a light pop and she turned right back to me and was all business.
Tiffany Holtfreter Webboard User Reg: 07-31-2010
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How old is your pup? For me I only use leash corrections when outside on a walk or when training "how to walk". If I need to give a correction inside I will give a very light touch with my finger tips to distract them and then begin to ask for a known task like sit, down. ect. That will distract them from from whatever it was they were doing and regain any focus on you. However every situation is different. It really depends on what your trying to correct for?
Are you trying to add corrections with obedience marker training? With marker training the non reward is the correction, the "eh-eh" or "no" word or simple removal of the treat, toy, ect is the "oops try again" . It makes them think "ok what is he asking me" so move to a new spot and try again. I am assuming you are out of the luring stage in marker training and she simply doesnt want to listen for whatever reason. Take a step backwards, maybe you are adding distractions to fast.
Do you happen to have any video on your training sessions when she is not listening?
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I'd love a video clip, too. I kind of assumed too much distraction added too fast, but then I realized that confusion and other factors were just as possible.
She is almost 2. We're out of the luring stage for many basics and I'm pretty confident she understands what I'm asking.
This morning I had her out in a low distraction area and did some OB work on lead with a prong. All things I'm positive she understands. She had a few light pops for sniffing around (not stress sniffing just "hey what's that over there"), she re-focused and was much more attentive over all. Pretty much everything I was looking for. I let her off leash for a few minutes after the OB work and her recall was as crisp as I've ever seen it.
ETA I can try to get a video clip, but it might be a couple days as I'm not sure when I can get a helper with a camera.
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I think what you did this morning is the way to go. She wasnt very distracted and when she was she received the little correction of "hey, pay attention to me" and all was better. You projected exactly what you wanted of her and she understood. You couldnt ask for anything more. Dogs are going to be dogs and sniff around but teaching them the undertanding of work time and play time will make your life much, much easier.
As for the corrections it is ok to give corrections at this stage since she knows the commands and is being un-compliant. Just be sure to not over correct because that will create a bad association with training and the command(s) itself. Plus never correct when in the luring stage, this will create confusing and prolong results.
This sounds like the right time to add corrections. If you have taken the time to get many consistant repetitions for the commnand, what ever that may be, and you have completed this work under distractions, corrections are fair and necessary.
I disagree that the only correction needed in marker work is no, nope, or eheh.
As I talk to people about the Ellis system, I'm finding that a lot of people are thinking that his system is positive reinforcement ONLY. That is just not true. Of course, these are generally people who have exclusively watched the video series, and have not attended conference or had personal training time with him. I also understand why, in the vids, Ellis doesn't have much emphasis on physical corrections, because you can really screw up your training if you add too much too soon.
Mara, not sure if I missed it, but remember to let her wear the prong collar on and off for a couple of weeks before using it, so she doesn't become collar-wise.
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. It makes them think "ok what is he asking me" so move to a new spot and try again. I am assuming you are out of the luring stage in marker training and she simply doesnt want to listen for whatever reason. Take a step backwards, maybe you are adding distractions to fast. 
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