Mara Jessup wrote 12/12/2010 12:36 PM Ivermectin #306877 - 12/12/2010 12:36 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	K-9 Knitter
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Betty Landercasp wrote 12/12/2010 01:20 PM Re: Ivermectin [Re: Mara Jessup ] #306880 - 12/12/2010 01:20 PM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	Where I worked we used to make an ivermectin product, one drop in a 3 tablespoons of ointment. Not enough to "go systemic", just enough to kill the local bugs. We used a similar one drop in 50 cc of oil for ear mites in cats. It worked terrific, and was way less toxic than pyrethrin or organophosphates-at least to cats. Perhaps even one drop is too much, I don't know. You raise a really good point, Mara. It is also true that anything that you apply to abraded skin is absorbed pretty rapidly. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Mara Jessup wrote 12/12/2010 02:17 PM Re: Ivermectin [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #306883 - 12/12/2010 02:17 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: Perhaps even one drop is too much, I don't know. You raise a really good point, Mara. It is also true that anything that you apply to abraded skin is absorbed pretty rapidly. I'd venture to guess that it all depended on the size of the dog and the concentration of the ivermectin. I personally wouldn't have an issue with treating one of my dogs in that manner because there does seem to be a pretty high margin of safety with ivermectin in dogs unaffected by the gene mutation and it does and a fairly low dose does a pretty good job killing parasites. Did you see many dogs have issues with ivermectin in your practice? Or was it pretty well tolerated by most dogs? K-9 Knitter
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Betty Landercasp wrote 12/12/2010 08:15 PM Re: Ivermectin [Re: Mara Jessup ] #306931 - 12/12/2010 08:15 PM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	We never gave Heartguard to collies/australian shep or anything that looked like it could be a collie mix, border collies etc. The topical ear mite prep was used mainly for cats. It worked really well. The demodex prep I only recall using on dogs with isolated lesions, puppies ears and faces (usually sarcoptic mange) . There was another medication for total sponge dipping of demodex dogs, I don't recall the name of the product. I don't recall ANY problems with ivermectin -- but it was new then, and we were careful, and other than Heartguard, it was all cattle product so you had to be careful, it was illegal to use for pets. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Becky Shilling wrote 12/13/2010 09:16 AM Re: Ivermectin [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #306971 - 12/13/2010 09:16 AM
Becky Shilling Webboard User Reg: 12-01-2005 Posts: 1009 Loc: OKC, Oklahoma Offline	Quote: Betty Landercasp There was another medication for total sponge dipping of demodex dogs, I don't recall the name of the product. Mitaban, probably. We used 1:100 ivermectin to treat scaly face and leg mites in parakeets (budgies) with no problems.
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Daniel Fernando wrote 12/15/2010 05:22 PM Re: Ivermectin [Re: Becky Shilling ] #307412 - 12/15/2010 05:22 PM
Daniel Fernando Webboard User Reg: 05-21-2010 Posts: 106 Loc: Philadelphia, PA - US Offline	The really basic question that I always ask, Does dog REALLY need vaccination, heartworm prevention, this and that.... I own 3 dogs before in Indonesia since I was kid. All of them they never got any shot or medication. And yes they eat some of 'Restricted' food that people in western call it poisonous for dog including chocolatte and grapes. When they got sick because of weather change, we (my family) just gives them child medicine half dose. My dog lives happy, never got any problem, never vomit, they can live in the dirtiest place and they are fine. The whole heartgard, puppy vaccination just sounds like the Annual flu shot. Where asians never need it (im asian). Doesnt mean to be racist but my point is why put something inside our dog's body when they don't need it?
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Michael_Wise wrote 12/15/2010 05:37 PM Re: Ivermectin [Re: Daniel Fernando ] #307418 - 12/15/2010 05:37 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Come spend a summer in Arkansas with your dogs before you make up your mind on heartworm prevention. I will never claim to know the magic number and timing, but vaccination and preventative medicine are not evil. Overdoing anything can be detrimental to ones health.
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Daniel Fernando wrote 12/15/2010 05:46 PM Re: Ivermectin [Re: Michael_Wise ] #307419 - 12/15/2010 05:46 PM
Daniel Fernando Webboard User Reg: 05-21-2010 Posts: 106 Loc: Philadelphia, PA - US Offline	I grew up in east java, Indonesia where mosquitoes that carries Malaria is huge possibilities and some people got malaria.
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Michael_Wise wrote 12/15/2010 06:23 PM Re: Ivermectin [Re: Daniel Fernando ] #307427 - 12/15/2010 06:23 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Here, if a dog does not take a preventative, they get heartworm. Not maybe a possibility. They get it. What does malaria in Indonesia have to do with heartworm in the southern US? Not being a smart ass, I just must've missed sumpthin'.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/15/2010 06:53 PM Re: Ivermectin [Re: Michael_Wise ] #307435 - 12/15/2010 06:53 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I was involved (like thousands of others) in getting the left-behind dogs shipped out of the Katrina area to various shelters that could take them. 60% of those dogs were HW+. Standing water, mosquitos, no meds. That would really be "they got sick because of weather change." I would call this putting something in the dog's body that the dog does not need: "... we (my family) just gives them child medicine half dose." JMO. I am not a big fan of big pharma, and I vaccinate very conservatively. I don't get flu shots myself. But heartworm meds are not inherently some kind of scam. There is now HW in every state in this country.
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