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#327982 - 04/17/2011 12:49 PM |
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I've rebooted my training approach and am using a lot of counter conditioning and focus methods now in distracting situations. Happy to say that it's working great. I realized that when I tried this last year I was not doing enough of it, not doing it with consistency, and not using nearly enough food rewards.
One question though. What is done when dog ignores the OB or focus commands? Is it best to use a correction or is there some other technique?
For example, walking along path in heel and dog moves toward some roadkill on the side. Heel command given and dog ignores it.
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#327983 - 04/17/2011 12:54 PM |
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I'm interested to know, too.
Good question!
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#327999 - 04/17/2011 03:04 PM |
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Don't know the exact situation here but typically there are 2 reasons that a dog will ignore an OB command,
1. Dog does not know the command in that environment
2. Dog is blowing you off
Based on the root cause you identify what approach to use.
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#328000 - 04/17/2011 03:16 PM |
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Will a verbal correction work? (Assuming your dog is familiar with the command and is ignoring it AND the environment is not overly distracting AND your dog is engaged with you!)
For example, working with my 10 month old pup on heeling. He is to the point that he knows what heel means. We have perfected our methods in the house and backyard, now we are moving into the front yard...more distractions gradually.
A typical scenario: He spotted a bird and wanted to chase it.
Here are the things I might do:
1. A verbal correction "NO"
2. A light tug on the leash.
3. A verbal correction & a light tug on the leash.
I do try to avoid the situation from occurring now that I know birds are "fun and interesting" to him. In other words, I spot the bird first and I work extra hard to keep Vigo engaged as we pass it. No need for a correction of any kind then 
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#328003 - 04/17/2011 03:23 PM |
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One question though. What is done when dog ignores the OB or focus commands? Is it best to use a correction or is there some other technique?
For example, walking along path in heel and dog moves toward some roadkill on the side. Heel command given and dog ignores it.
I'm by no means an expert, but here's what I have been doing in similar situations. (I'm just starting to figure this stuff out as well, so take what I say with a grain of salt, and more experienced posters feel free to 'correct' me.  )
On walks, when we come upon a distraction of some type and Chula reacts in a way that I don't like, I will say 'No', (pause for a second)'watch me' and pause for another second. Enough time for her to respond to the command. If she doesn't respond to the command, I will give her a light pop. She responds by focusing back on me with no attitude...
It's taken me awhile to muddle through this, as far as the wording and timing, but I think it's a fair correction given her knowledge of that particular command and the amount of distraction training she's had with it...
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#328006 - 04/17/2011 03:37 PM |
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It all depends on the dog and it's temperament.
Some (the majority of) dogs will respond very nicely to light corrections like watch me and a distracting pop on the leash. Some dogs wouldn't and don't, for them such corrections are called nagging.
For dogs that seem to 'need' nagging it's best to have the basics known to them before they get to that age because nagging only hardens them up.
For them Ed's basic tenent of one good correction is worth a 1000 nay nays is not to be forgotten.
Just make SURE the dog knows what it is you're demanding first!
If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.
Randy
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#328007 - 04/17/2011 03:38 PM |
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It all depends on the dog and it's temperament. ... Just make SURE the dog knows what it is you're demanding first!
We need a billboard. 
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#328062 - 04/17/2011 07:28 PM |
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It all depends on the dog and it's temperament. ... Just make SURE the dog knows what it is you're demanding first!
We need a billboard.
Yes. This is key. Chula's nearly 4, and I'm just starting with corrections now. (not recommending this, just saying...)
Reason is, I wasn't competent/confident enough in my training skills to know for sure when she really understood what I wanted. I'm getting there...
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#328082 - 04/17/2011 09:51 PM |
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Melissa, question about the birds: you won't always see a bird first, and based on the steps you listed on how you correct a blow-off, did you mean that you are still working on that distraction (birds), but just taking it in small doses? (Nice brood, by the way.)
I invite (or shamelessly fabricate) distractions as we progess in problem areas. Small doses to keep the chance of success high; as the successes increase, so do the distractions.
In regard to the roadkill example--wow--very exciting distraction.
I make "leave it" a multi-purpose command to work on various things. (Keeps it very simple and works great--in my humble experience.) If the "leave it" is strong, and you have other OB backing it up, and work on focus--good to go...working up to the big roadside distraction.
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#328101 - 04/17/2011 11:34 PM |
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Ditto with Randy!
There has to be some consequence for not obeying.
For some dogs that may be correction, verbal or physical depending on how sensitive the dog is.
For other dogs loss of reward can be huge.
It could also be your asking the dog for more then it's able to give at this point in training concerning distractions or time.
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