 is this a good ratio of muscle meat and rmb?
#343363 - 09/03/2011 11:36 AM |
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I've been feeding Newman pre made raw patties that I get from the "pet health food store". But its kind of expensive and I also want him to crunch some bones so I'm ready to start home made. I bought a couple whole chickens and removed the breast meat for people food. The rest of the bird I chopped up into meal sized portions (I included the thighs). Is this a good meat to rmb ratio?
Is anything except breast meat and the thighs considered rmbs? The lady at the "pet health food store" told me that for puppies it's very important that they get enough bone. Should I be supplementing this with additional bone?
I also bought some beef kidney, but there was some organ meat attached on the inside of the chicken, is this enough organ meat? It MIGHT be about 5%.
And he's only 11 weeks, are the thigh bones ok for him to be eating? He ate a thigh this morning just fine. Even the little knob on the end he crunched up. I'm just worried about his baby teeth.
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Re: is this a good ratio of muscle meat and rmb?
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#343371 - 09/03/2011 01:06 PM |
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I would consider adding more 'meat' to the bony parts of the chicken. The thigh is fine on it's own but ribs/wings etc. are too high in bone content. As long as what you feed adds up it'll be fine.
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Re: is this a good ratio of muscle meat and rmb?
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#343372 - 09/03/2011 01:14 PM |
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Anything with a bone in it is considered an RMB. You have to "eyeball" it, but you want a piece of RMB to be about 10% actual bone (or you are going for this balance over time, through several meals).
Lots of good info here:
http://dogaware.com/
and here:
http://rawdogranch.com/
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#343374 - 09/03/2011 01:24 PM |
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Oh ok. I didn't know how much actual bone is supposed to be in an rmb. Somewhere on this forum I read someone saying that a chicken thigh is too much meat, or needs to be supplemented with egg shells or something for added calcium.
So I'll add more muscle meat to these meals, except when it's mostly thighs.
Thanks
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#343376 - 09/03/2011 02:39 PM |
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The ratio I use is this:
About half the diet in RMB--regardless of what part it is; if it has bones in it, it's a RMB. This is almost exclusively poultry parts for me--chicken, turkey, or duck. Fish with bones would also count as RMB.
About 40% of the diet in MM (muscle meat)--regardless of source. Any meat without bones counts. Beef, pork, any heart meat, gizzards, venison. Since most of the RMB I feed are poultry, I try to make the MM a "red" meat when I can.
The other 10% is organ meat and etc. "Organs" here mean liver or kidney, most often. As noted above, heart and gizzard (and tongue) would be counted as muscle.
Small amounts of veggies, cooked eggs, plain yogurt are included in this "etc." part of the diet. They are a very small part.
If you are feeding chicken frames, you do not need any supplemental calcium. One eggshell is enough calcium to go with a pound of muscle meat. (Say you had a pound of hamburger meat; add an eggshell to that and you've turned it, nutritionally, into a pound of "RMB."
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Re: is this a good ratio of muscle meat and rmb?
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#343377 - 09/03/2011 02:40 PM |
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Have you seen this, too?
http://leerburg.com/feedingdogs.htm
How are his poops looking?
PS
The kidneys attached to the backs are generally not enough to make up 5 to 10% of the diet.
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#343458 - 09/04/2011 05:41 PM |
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His poops are normal. Yea I've read all of the raw feeding info on leerburg, an I also have the 2 books they recommend. It's just that some rmbs have lots of meat on then, and some hardly have any. I wasn't sure how much actual bone he should be getting.
I fed him all beef meat this morning with an egg, and he's getting a chicken thigh and some kidney and veggies tonight for dinner. I Think i'm starting to figure it out lol.
On a side note, he's been really 'lazy' today. Do puppies get like that sometimes?
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#343460 - 09/04/2011 05:49 PM |
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Do you guys prefer to give a whole chunk of beef or cut it up?
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#343463 - 09/04/2011 06:37 PM |
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. It's just that some rmbs have lots of meat on then, and some hardly have any. I wasn't sure how much actual bone he should be getting.
This is where variety takes care of that dilemma. Feed the same RMB day in and day out, and you are at the mercy of that RMB being the perfect amount of dietary bone. Feed a variety of RMB's, and everything should average out fine.
Think about a whole chicken. Chicken RMB's are just parts of that whole chicken. Think about the endless number ways you could cut up a chicken. Every RMB from that chicken will have a different meat:bone ratio, but in the end, that whole chicken has the right amount of bone in it.
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#343464 - 09/04/2011 06:40 PM |
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On a side note, he's been really 'lazy' today. Do puppies get like that sometimes?
Some do. Some don't. It's individual.
Do you guys prefer to give a whole chunk of beef or cut it up? Both. If it is in a chunk, I feed a chunk. If it is cut up, I feed it cut up.
How's that for clarity? I didn't answer squat, did I? 
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