Ok my problem is Keiko wanting to become the higher ranking dog... Zuki will not let it happen and my question is : which should be submissive to the other? Do I just wait for them to figure this out or is there something I can do to help this over?
Keiko was submitting to Zuki but that was when he was smaller.
If they are on a leash I am there keeping them in check than no issue. If I let them loose to play they will play for 30 secs than Keiko will try to get on top of Zuki. This has nothing to do with her in heat, she is not in heat. Zuki of course is not letting this happen and she just runs to keep him off but day by day he is getting stronger and bigger.
So what is your idea of a solution?
Jamie I know you just got Gambit so have you had any problems with this?
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Ok my problem is Keiko wanting to become the higher ranking dog... Zuki will not let it happen and my question is : which should be submissive to the other?
No overt dominance, no posturing, no nothing allowed in my pack. It's me, and then all of them. Of course I know which one would be the pack leader if I disappeared, but he gets ZERO opportunity to dominate and no other dog must be submissive.
Do I just wait for them to figure this out
NO!
If they are on a leash I am there keeping them in check than no issue. If I let them loose to play they will play for 30 secs than Keiko will try to get on top of Zuki.
I NEVER allow humping. Absolutely never. This is overt dominating, IMO.
This has nothing to do with her in heat, she is not in heat. Zuki of course is not letting this happen and she just runs to keep him off but day by day he is getting stronger and bigger. So what is your idea of a solution?
This is your job. You are in charge. They get NO SAY in whether or how much posturing and dominating is allowed in your pack.
The one being humped as well as the one humping are both perceiving that there is no strong human pack leader; the humpee perceives that she is on her own with no protection and the humper perceives that the leadership role is pretty loose and might just open up for him.
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Nothing confrontational to you, BTW. This is probably the most common mistake (IMO, it's a mistake, anyway) that I see in households with more than one dog.
It can be the beginning of big trouble, but even if it's not, it's relinquishing your leadership role -- clearly and visibly to both dogs.
Thanks Connie... Would you control the jumping on top of the other with the e-collar? They do like to play together but this is the only way I can see it working...
This is my first time with two dogs so I am kind of new to the idea.
I didn't figure I was suppose to let them figure it out, that is why I asked here.
I have not let them have any play time when I saw what was happening cause I could tell Zuki didn't like this, she is way more submissive to me than Keiko and has never tried getting dominate with Keiko.
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Would you control the jumping on top of the other with the e-collar? They do like to play together but this is the only way I can see it working...
I control it verbally. My verbal Hey! is extremely persuasive. If I needed drag lines, I would use them. If I needed limited togetherness, I would institute it. And there would definitely be supervision.
I didn't figure I was suppose to let them figure it out, that is why I asked here.
I have not let them have any play time when I saw what was happening cause I could tell Zuki didn't like this, she is way more submissive to me than Keiko and has never tried getting dominate with Keiko.
I think you did absolutely right to stop the behavior and get help.
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I have whacked a dog on the butt for this, to be honest. Started with the "Hey!" and if there was any hesitation at all (like maybe stop moving and look at me but maintain the dominant position over the other dog .... LOL) went right over and pushed the dog off and whacked his butt.
This kind of pack stuff (for me) is nipped right in the bud.
Kenzi is around him occassionally and if he tries to hump, I get in his way and use my body pressure to push him away and say "hey". If I catch him in the process I pick him up by the collar and say "hey". If he was my dog, I might whack him if he persisted after the first time...
With your pup, watch him and when he starts thinking about it, use a "knock it off" or "hey" and remove him and make him lay next to you for a minute or two- kind of a time out. He tries to hump and the fun ends.
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